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May 23, 2019 23:24:24   #
tomcat
 
SteveR wrote:
I'll tell you what. I'm not going to bother posting anything about the D500 because if you want fast focus and low-light capability that is the go to camera right now. You couldn't ask for better. So....I'm going to post a link to Steve Perry's (Back Country Safari) review of the Z6 and Z7. This should give you a good idea if they are what you're looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=jMTtAi5oPoo


Steve, you should be very definitive about what you classify as "low light" before you steer someone into expecting a noise free image. I'm telling you that I have shot the D500 and it is crap at ISO > 1,000. Now, it is a great camera in the sunshine and I shoot high school sports--soccer and baseball--- all day long with no noise or problems so long as the sun shines. But when it gets cloudy or dusk approaches and the ISO climbs to 1000, I switch to my D3s. So is it a low-light camera for everyone? Maybe for you, but absolutely not for me. I am saying that any ISO >1,000 with this camera is going to give you noise.

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May 23, 2019 23:53:48   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
If you're spending next week's grocery money, stick with what you have.
If you're spending your kids' inheritance, buy the toy tool you want need.
It's always good to be in danger of learning something new.



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May 24, 2019 01:46:49   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
tomcat wrote:
Steve, you should be very definitive about what you classify as "low light" before you steer someone into expecting a noise free image. I'm telling you that I have shot the D500 and it is crap at ISO > 1,000. Now, it is a great camera in the sunshine and I shoot high school sports--soccer and baseball--- all day long with no noise or problems so long as the sun shines. But when it gets cloudy or dusk approaches and the ISO climbs to 1000, I switch to my D3s. So is it a low-light camera for everyone? Maybe for you, but absolutely not for me. I am saying that any ISO >1,000 with this camera is going to give you noise.
Steve, you should be very definitive about what yo... (show quote)


That may be your opinion, but in my experience the D500, and the experience of others, the D500excels in low light.

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May 24, 2019 04:44:19   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Country Boy wrote:
I have been into photography since 1967 ... I have not used a full frame camera ...

Really??

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May 24, 2019 06:08:10   #
GalaxyCat Loc: Boston, MA
 
If you buy something new, right now, enjoy it! Learning something new, always beats being bored. I'm going out to shoot pictures today in Boston, Massachusetts! I'm having a wonderful time with my new Olympus OM-D E-M5 II camera with a 14-150mm lens, and it might not be the best, and greatest, but it is light-weight and fun! I cannot take my Canon 77D and 80-400mm lens out every day, it's too heavy and bulky, except for bird-watching... and even there, I am looking for something else...

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May 24, 2019 07:19:16   #
Hamltnblue Loc: Springfield PA
 
Country Boy wrote:
I currently have a Nikon D7100 and to be honest it meets my needs. I have been into photography since 1967 and now retired and my needs have been greatly reduced. Mostly my photos are of people in church/business presentations or basic activity. I normally have 5 to 10 photos published with newspaper articles each year mostly getting awards or just family type shots. Last year I did a 2 DVD package of historical events shooting documents and stills (2,045 photos) for a scholarship fund. I have been thinking of purchasing a new camera mostly for faster focus, better low light performance and better detail although I am not displeased with my D7100. I am between two camera choices now but have a third coming.

I have not used a full frame camera and can't judge what detail improvements I would receive but the Nikon Z6 on sale now has the AF Eye detection software which would be a great tool. I called Nikon and asked if I purchased the Z6 from them could they send one currently out of production that would not be subject to the recall and was told they cannot, you get what you get. On the other hand, the D500 although not full frame could use all the lens I have (5 that covers my needs) and covers the faster focus and low light requirement.

I would like to know what experienced photographers would choose. The Z6 is now on sale for $2,399.95 with the 24-70 mm lens (4.?) and a free FTZ adaptor which is a savings of $450.00. Currently the D500 body only is $1,499.95 and with the 16-70 mm f2.8 4E ED VR lens which I like it goes for $2,099.95 which is a retail savings of $670.00. While I like the savings, I don't want that to drive my decision.

Would you select one of these or hold off to see what the new D760 due out in the fall has to offer or see which other Nikon cameras will get the AF Eye detection upgrade? Thanks for any input.
I currently have a Nikon D7100 and to be honest it... (show quote)


Hello Country Boy
I can say that hands down the Z6 is a great camera. Especially with the 24-70 F4 Lens.
There is a lot to be said for a rig that is a bit smaller, lighter and takes tack sharp pictures.
Google the Z 24-70 F4 lens vs the F2.8 standard lens and you'll find that it is just as sharp if not more so.

Also, you'll find that the F4 lens on the Z6 performs the same or better in low light as a crop sensor camera with an F2.8. This is because of the larger full frame sensor and that it uses the latest Back illuminated sensor technology.
Back to the base rig being smaller and lighter, it really is a big deal (at least to me) when spending hours with the camera around the neck.

One thing to be aware of though is that your field of view will equal the lens rating. This is something that you probably aren't used to. For instance, the 24-70mm lens on the Z6 will have the viewing equivalent of an 18-47 on your 7100. I think however you will find that it is the perfect range for the type of photography you described. (Nikon picked this range because it's one of the most popular)

Battery life of the Z6/7 has been mentioned in reviews and forums. I can say that for most it is not an issue. I typically spend 4 hours at a time walking around snapping, and have yet to change a battery.

You could of course stick with the 7100, but the improvements that have been made since the 7100 was released 6 years ago are significant.
Good Luck

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May 24, 2019 08:31:21   #
tomcat
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
That may be your opinion, but in my experience the D500, and the experience of others, the D500excels in low light.


Then apparently we have differences in standards for our photos. I don't know anyone satisfied with the low light capabilities of the D500 at ISO >1,000. Especially when the ISO climbs to 10-12,000 where I often would be at in the high school gyms.

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May 24, 2019 09:28:44   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
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May 24, 2019 11:00:40   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Hamltnblue wrote:
Hello Country Boy
I can say that hands down the Z6 is a great camera. Especially with the 24-70 F4 Lens.
There is a lot to be said for a rig that is a bit smaller, lighter and takes tack sharp pictures.
Google the Z 24-70 F4 lens vs the F2.8 standard lens and you'll find that it is just as sharp if not more so.

Also, you'll find that the F4 lens on the Z6 performs the same or better in low light as a crop sensor camera with an F2.8. This is because of the larger full frame sensor and that it uses the latest Back illuminated sensor technology.
Back to the base rig being smaller and lighter, it really is a big deal (at least to me) when spending hours with the camera around the neck.

One thing to be aware of though is that your field of view will equal the lens rating. This is something that you probably aren't used to. For instance, the 24-70mm lens on the Z6 will have the viewing equivalent of an 18-47 on your 7100. I think however you will find that it is the perfect range for the type of photography you described. (Nikon picked this range because it's one of the most popular)

Battery life of the Z6/7 has been mentioned in reviews and forums. I can say that for most it is not an issue. I typically spend 4 hours at a time walking around snapping, and have yet to change a battery.

You could of course stick with the 7100, but the improvements that have been made since the 7100 was released 6 years ago are significant.
Good Luck
Hello Country Boy br I can say that hands down the... (show quote)


I traded my D800 for a Z6 last November. While there are many things to like about it, as above, I now wish I had at least kept the D800 and am considering a D850. I also got rid of my 24-85 lens, because I got the 24-70 with the Z6. While happy with the 24-70 I’ll want my 24-85 if I go back to a D8xx.

There are two main things I don’t like about the Z6. One is that you aren’t allowed to wet clean the sensor. It needs it a lot because it is exposed when changing lenses.

The second is the focus point jumps around with a mind of its own. That might be a settings thing...still working that.

Also I was unhappy with the colors of the RAW images. I learned a few days ago Adobe had screwed up the .nef file translation for the Z6. I was using Lightroom 6 and dng converter, which apparantly has the issue. I caved into the subscription service and found they have it fixed there. I only found the Adobe article yesterday. So now I am good with image quality.

The things I like best about the Z6 are the light weight and touch screen control system. Least is having to fuss with the adapter for other lenses.

BTW the high ISO performance is awesome!

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May 24, 2019 11:06:00   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
ronpier wrote:
I would at least consider the D7500. Very similar to the D500 and uses all of your current lenses. $800 new thru any Nikon dealer. You can take your savings and buy more and better glass for both cameras. I would keep the D7100 as a great backup.


Or a D5600, which will give you the same control system and images, plus fully articulated screen, with about 1/2 the weight and price. I find myself grabbing the D5600 over my Z6 much of the time. I only prefer the Z6 when high ISO is needed.

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May 24, 2019 15:46:50   #
Bill P
 
tjc321 wrote:
Thanks for the acronym explanation. Having no spouse makes GAS hard to treat.


No, no, it makes all of life easier.

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May 25, 2019 21:05:19   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
tomcat wrote:
Steve, you should be very definitive about what you classify as "low light" before you steer someone into expecting a noise free image. I'm telling you that I have shot the D500 and it is crap at ISO > 1,000. Now, it is a great camera in the sunshine and I shoot high school sports--soccer and baseball--- all day long with no noise or problems so long as the sun shines. But when it gets cloudy or dusk approaches and the ISO climbs to 1000, I switch to my D3s. So is it a low-light camera for everyone? Maybe for you, but absolutely not for me. I am saying that any ISO >1,000 with this camera is going to give you noise.
Steve, you should be very definitive about what yo... (show quote)


I'm with SuperFlyTNT. I don't have experience with the D500, but I do with its ISO equivalent, the D7500, which I purchased for my daughter. We've had excellent experience up to ISO6000. It is great for indoor athletics. I recommended the D500 for an individual whose daughter was a diver on a swim team. The D500 was the answer to her problems.

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