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Apr 26, 2019 08:37:11   #
ssymeono Loc: St. Louis, Missouri
 
billnikon wrote:
Nikon camera's in the hands of professionals.


Of course, but let's not overlook the fact that the most lasting feature of the magazine for almost 40 years has been a page on endangered species called: "Wildlife as CANON sees it". Also, National Geographic publishes it own manual for photographers.

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Apr 26, 2019 08:47:34   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
nekon wrote:
I remember reading that one Nat Geo photog, I believe it was Bill Allard, photographing Icebergs for one issue. He had all this photography gear in a dinghy, when a stray wave turned Bill and his equipment into the icy waters. Apparently, once rescued, Bill got one of those little Fuji disposable 35mm cameras, from his supply on the mother ship, and carried on making images, and one of these images
Made the cover. Proof that the camera doesn't matter, just the eyes and mind of the photographer.
I remember reading that one Nat Geo photog, I beli... (show quote)



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Apr 26, 2019 08:50:57   #
mackolb
 
One key note is the sheer number of (then, slides, now digital) frames captured in order to find the one that makes the cut.
Back in the 1990s, I was hired to photograph a wedding by the bride's mother whose brother was a NG photographer. He shot the day as well. When we delivered our products, the customer found a vast difference in what I brought to her over her brother's spray and pray deliverables. And we were both shooting negative film. Quality vs quantity. And, of course, having a working familiarity with a Jewish wedding as opposed to an "exotic" event in a far-away locale.

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Apr 26, 2019 09:00:28   #
ELNikkor
 
Nat. Geo. has 5 staff photographers who can make up to $100k per year. They also have around 50 occasional but reliable "per diem" photographers who they may assist on an assignment only basis. The info provided by "Stardust" was only for Nat. Geo.'s "Your Shot" program, which allows anyone with any kind of a camera to submit photos for their perusal.

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Apr 26, 2019 09:14:02   #
petego4it Loc: NY
 
If you visit DC, a MUST for any real photog is to visit the HQ of NatGeo. Try to do a tour where they show how a story is assembled, keyed on the photography of course. Very, very special!!

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Apr 26, 2019 09:14:20   #
ashriverguy Loc: Rural Minnesota
 
I was at a party 50 some years ago and met a guy who was "a friend of a friend" who was a staff photographer for NG. He had been on a shoot in South America on a river and he told me about all
the equipment they took along. CASES of cameras, lenses, tripods, film, you name it. He said it was very hard demanding work; long days, heat, humidity, bugs, reptiles, rain. I can also remember him telling me
about the developing of the film and all the precautions they used upon his return. He also said that they used dye transfer methods for printing. He emphasized that NG went to no ends to get good Photos.

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Apr 26, 2019 09:28:53   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
ggab wrote:
Well regardless of the payment or ability to professionally "brag" about being used in NG, I can see the personal effect of being honored to have your work used.

Unfortunately it is not something I will experience!


I think that once you have been shooting awhile, the thrill of bragging about a cover image disappears. You just want to make meaningful images.

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Apr 26, 2019 09:32:08   #
BebuLamar
 
Everybody uses Photoshop today to certain extent but NG photos have been excellent many years ago, way before PS. Most of their photos back then were shot on Kodachrome and there was some manipulation before going to press but I don't think a whole lot. So the photos must be very good to begin with SOOC.

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Apr 26, 2019 10:09:27   #
dsnoke Loc: North Georgia, USA
 
Five years ago I participated in a photography hike in Scotland organized by National Geographic. Description and pictures at http://seven-oaks.net/dickspics/photo-albums/travel-photography/overseas-trips/higlands-and-islands-of-scotland-2014/

During that adventure I had the opportunity to lunch with the Nat Geo photographer who accompanied us. I won't name names in case I recall some of this incorrectly. In any event, the lunch discussion was on the business of photography and how Nat Geo does things.
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What we were told is that Nat Geo stories almost always originate with a proposal from a photographer. When an proposal is made it includes, among other things, the costs of buying or renting, transporting and hiring assistance with equipment. Most of the photographers don't own nearly all the gear they use on a shoot like these. And he did not mention how much he would get beyond costs, but I have to believe it is more than $500. Perhaps one more zero should be added. That would make sense.

Further, the editorial policy of the magazine is to allow only minimal post-processing (exposure not to exceed 1/2 stop, minor cropping, minor contrast change.) As a consequence the photographers have a tough job. Most, finding a compostion to shoot, will take 30-100 separate exposures of the single composition to get all the permutations of DOF, blur, color balance, lighting, etc. And they'll do that for perhaps 20-50 separate compositions of the same subject to get all the points of view. So thousands of exposures in a two week trip. And perhaps six or seven will be published.

I could go on, but I don't like to rant too much. :)

Cheers,
Dick

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Apr 26, 2019 10:14:02   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
ELNikkor wrote:
Nat. Geo. has 5 staff photographers who can make up to $100k per year. They also have around 50 occasional but reliable "per diem" photographers who they may assist on an assignment only basis. The info provided by "Stardust" was only for Nat. Geo.'s "Your Shot" program, which allows anyone with any kind of a camera to submit photos for their perusal.


Even so, it's not easy getting an image published on the website. Consider the number of images that are sent to them every day. Only a few select chosen images make the online website and even fewer make the transition to the print issue. That said, I had an image make the "Your Choice" "Daily Dozen" back in October of 2007 and is still on their website. Wasn't able to make the cut to the print issue though...

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Apr 26, 2019 10:30:27   #
Bubbee Loc: Aventura, Florida
 
The great NG photographer, Joel Sartore, has posted many articles and videos describing his many experiences. One of the most important requirements of his Editor is that he photographs at prime times for the best light....early morning and afternoon's 'golden hour'.
I strongly recommend reading or watching his work....He is a born teacher....like so many of you!

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Apr 26, 2019 10:37:27   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
I agree with Nekon. It's not the camera and equipment its the photographer's expertise that counts. When asking about rather I could get pictures with my Canon T5i comparable to those from a Fuji camera. I was referred to a National Geographic Photographer that took pictures comparable to any that Fuji could have taken with his Canon T5i. A National Geographic Photographer making use of a Canon T5i camera convinced me, "That it's all in the photographer, not the camera1".

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Apr 26, 2019 11:04:27   #
Stardust Loc: Central Illinois
 
ggab wrote:
"14 days depending on their specialty. They are paid $500 plus travel expenses". $500.00 for 14 days hardly seems worth it.
On a 10-14 day shoot that is $5,000-7,000 dollars plus travel, hotel, meals, etc covered, plus what is it worth in advertising to have your name and photos shown around the world?

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Apr 26, 2019 11:13:43   #
Say Cheese Loc: Eastern PA
 
ngrea wrote:
I once attended an event where a NG editor spoke. She said that for the average article the photographer takes 50,000 pictures (that was 10 or 15 years ago and it was still film) She also described some of the “expenses” including armed guards and robotic cameras destroyed by animals. Maybe the thrill is more important than the $500.


50,000 images. If you used 36 exposure rolls of film, that is over 1,300 rolls of film. That really seems excessive. Maybe 5,000 exposures?

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Apr 26, 2019 11:15:25   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
suntouched wrote:
If you are a professional photographer, the status of having your image on the cover or inside pages of NG is priceless.


Ego gratification for sure. Not so much for paying the bills.

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