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Apr 24, 2019 12:35:47   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
For me, I think perhaps a reason why they (MILC) have not been launched into fame for sports and PJ work is the same reason we extol the virtues of mirrorless - size and balance. For close up work with a wide angle, they are terrific in that setting. For everything else I prefer the weight and balance with and/or without (depending on the circumstance) a tripod or monopod. Always have, probably always will, but never say never. lol
The article mentioned alleges that mirrorless remains slower in AF tracking which can be critical.
Also - let's not forget the factory sponsorship pro shooters by Canon and Nikon with their extensive support and marketing capabilities. Mirrorless may be the future, but right now it is still in its infancy.

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Apr 24, 2019 12:54:25   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
CatMarley wrote:
I think that is just a bit of nonsense. I know ear and eye surgeons with huge hands and no problem handling the tiniest of instruments. (operating through an ear canal takes mighty small instruments: I know - I practiced ENT) You like what you are used to using!

Very fast food for the busy surgeon:



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Apr 24, 2019 13:13:10   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
larryepage wrote:
Of course, the first principle everyone learns in engineering economics is that you must ignore sunk cost completely when making financial decisions. Money already spent, including money spent as the result of flawed or bad decisions, is water under the bridge. Nothing can be done about it, and if you don't ignore sunk costs going forward, the result will be more suboptimal decisions as the result of having improper boundary conditions around your analyses.


EXACTLY.

As you certainly know, unfortunately for many, they use the term “investment” to refer to sunk costs. That sets up a psychological barrier to adoption of a paradigm change, and that is dangerous in competitive environments.

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Apr 24, 2019 14:21:12   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mike Holmes wrote:
I think the future is camera phones which will replace both DSLR and mirror less. Everyone wants better, smaller and faster!!!


I am happy with my D3s, D4s, and D5. I actually (and many, many others who are professional's) prefer them to the small girly mirrorless types.

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Apr 24, 2019 14:47:26   #
EdR Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
 
Can I expect the Speed Graphics to make a comeback🤔

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Apr 24, 2019 14:52:13   #
blanam Loc: Detroit
 
larryepage wrote:
I am not opposed to a shift to mirrorless cameras. But after looking carefully at a Z7 a few months ago (holding it and "messing" with it), my conclusions were mixed. I am a person who uses camera controls extensively. The smaller form factor necessarily squeezed tome things close together that I would have wished to be further apart. Lots of folks here have already made mention that we've not yet seen a "professional" mirrorless camera. And I believe that is correct. As an engineer with some experience in these matters, my conclusion is that neither the Z7 nor the Z6 has the level of ruggedness or durability that most people who make their living with those tools would require, especially over time. Let's remember...two of the big advantages that everyone talks about when discussing mirrorless are less weight and reduced size. Those advantages are both going to have to be sacrificed to achieve durability and ruggedness. So I'm guessing that we likely won't see true "professional" mirrorless cameras until the consumer technology is firmly established and its reputation can withstand larger and heavier models. At least that is how I would suggest playing the game.

A bigger problem, regardless of comments that I have read here and other places, is the exposed sensor. This is very real for working photographers opening their cameras in difficult environments, like near erupting volcanoes. It's actually very real for all of us as time passes. Sensors are incredibly sensitive components. Have you stopped to think what it means to have 50 million semiconductor devices exposed to the environment? Cleaning can be as damaging as being contaminated. Current reflex cameras provide two levels of protection for the sensor...the mirror and the shutter. Even if designs are changed to close the mechanical shutter during lens changes, contamination om the front surface of the shutter can much more easily get onto the sensor than contamination on the front surface of the mirror.

This shift in technology is almost certain to happen eventually. As we have more experience, and as our new cameras become older cameras, we'll have to see if what we got was really what we wanted.
I am not opposed to a shift to mirrorless cameras.... (show quote)


Some very good points that I hadn't thought of.

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Apr 24, 2019 15:03:13   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
davidrb wrote:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but where is UNleaded gasoline?


Gone with the advent of emission controls and catalytic converters.

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Apr 24, 2019 15:46:50   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Bill_de wrote:
"Some interesting stats on the winning World Press Photo 2019 photographs - over 70% of the photos were shot with Nikon/Canon full-frame DSLR cameras while only 4.4% were taken with a mirrorless camera (only 2.6% were taken with a Sony camera):"

Found on Nikon Rumors

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Your ability to use a camera properly is thousands of times more important than the camera type or brand. Switching camera type and/or brand can be expensive and requires retraining muscle memory (control locations and sensitivity) and recalibrating your understanding of the accuracy of your camera's exposure indicators (histogram or blinkies) and image processing latitude. Most professionals, and many amateurs, wouldn't and shouldn't be willing to undertake these costs without a significant improvement in productivity or performance relative to their peers.

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Apr 24, 2019 16:40:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Glenn Harve wrote:
The VAST majority of great photos were taken before mirrorless.


Huh? That's pure opinion or speculation, or a bit of each.

The period since the first mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras were introduced in 2008 has seen the greatest proliferation of ALL photography in the history of humanity.

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Apr 24, 2019 16:50:45   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
I'd argue that view cameras and field cameras appear to be pretty much mirrorless to me. They have interchangeable lenses too.

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Apr 24, 2019 16:54:21   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
larryepage wrote:
I'd argue that view cameras and field cameras appear to be pretty much mirrorless to me. They have interchangeable lenses too.



Just about every camera before the TLR and SLR

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Apr 24, 2019 17:01:29   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Numbers don't tell the actual story here. As a longtime pro shooter who has won a few times in the World Press Photo Competition, here is the truth. While many pros have switched to mirrorless, many others wish they could. But economic issues slow this down. Media outlets as well as individual photojournalists have enormous amounts of money invested over decades in DSLR gear. It is not economically feasible or advisable to lose that investment yet when the cameras still work. I personally took some loss when I moved over to Sony mirrorless after 40 years with Nikon and Canon SLRs and DSLRs, but the switch was worth it to me in my personal and client work. In time more and more will make the move and you will see these contests reflect that.

BTW a large amount of pro shooters don't even bother to enter contests so this contest is not really a snapshot of the market. So DSLR lovers don't get too happy here. The latest CIPA numbers have DSLR sales dropping a whopping 50% over this time last year. The handwriting is on the wall folks.
Numbers don't tell the actual story here. As a lon... (show quote)


You didn't need to explain anything. The winners were using what they used, for whatever reason.

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Apr 24, 2019 17:02:28   #
tinwhistle
 
After 9 pages of opinions I don't have anything stunning to add to the discussion, other than to mention that for me personally I am most comfortable with the larger (heavier) Canon. I'm hard on equipment and I expect my equipment to take a lot of punishment. Small and delicate will not do. When I'm riding along in a combine during soy bean harvest that camera had better be ready. BTW, back in my film days I used Sigma equipment. I could throw a sigma camera down the stairs and it would come up ready to go; Their technology fell way behind, thus when I made the move to digital I went Canon for the toughness.

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Apr 24, 2019 17:18:08   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Bill_de wrote:
You didn't need to explain anything. The winners were using what they used, for whatever reason.

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Told you that was coming...

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Apr 24, 2019 17:25:47   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
Rich1939 wrote:

Just about every camera before the TLR and SLR

I love the TLR for its quiet shutter, even with a mirror!

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