Government (Page 2): Those two questions do very certainly go to very heart of society. Many volumes on governance have been written over the centuries. John Locke comes to mind, e.g.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Those two questions do very certainly go to very heart of society. Many volumes on governance have been written over the centuries. John Locke comes to mind, e.g. Through out history there have been many associations of people who had to live together. In the earliest of days it was the hunters and gatherers of food and I suppose the first governance pertained to the preparers and the distribution to the mouths. So society has come a very long way to our present day status by which governance depends on our sense of values that guide how all can live in peace in harmony with honesty. Yes, a complicated question has been raised. Before enunciating a governance, might it first be described the values to be furthered.

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

John_F wrote:

Those two questions do very certainly go to very h... (show quote)

What is your definition of 'Governance' ??

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Just about any dictionary will answer your question.

BigBear wrote:

What is your definition of 'Governance' ??

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

John_F wrote:

Just about any dictionary will answer your question.

When I want info, I go to directly to the source.
I am not a liberal shill who feeds on hearsay and 4th party gossip.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Bill 45 wrote:

Two questions: 1. What is government? 2. What is government function in a society? Those two question go to the very heart how we live. Trash talk take a walk. If that that all you have to said don't answer the questions.

Our government is supposed to serve it’s people. It’s the opposite everywhere else.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

John_F wrote:

Those two questions do very certainly go to very h... (show quote)

Apparently you are forgetting the Founding Fathers who have done everything you are describing. And what they came up with is absolutely the very best document of governance on the planet. It describes exactly the powers of the Federal government, what that government is supposed to take care of FOR the American citizens. That one document also lays out exactly what rights We the People have, and in the 2nd Amendment gives us the right, under God, to make changes in the Federal government if and when the Federal government does not do what we tell it to do.

The Socialist Liberal Party of America has been spouting off about taking away the first and second Amendments and the 4th Amendment as well. Check out the U.S. Constitution and you will find out that is not a very good idea. We the People may well have our own ideas as to spanking the Federal government if that happens.

Dennis

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

dennis2146 wrote:

Apparently you are forgetting the Founding Fathers... (show quote)

Libs don't care about a piece of paper. The dirty ones in Congress only agreed to defend it just long enough to get their ass in the chair.

It is up to the Real Defenders to keep them inside the box and to minimize the destruction.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

BigBear wrote:

Libs don't care about a piece of paper. The dirty ones in Congress only agreed to defend it just long enough to get their ass in the chair.

It is up to the Real Defenders to keep them inside the box and to minimize the destruction.

Exactly correct. Look at Eric Swalwell now threatening to take firearms that are not turned for payment. Somehow I recall the 2nd Amendment being worded somewhat differently than that. But of course he did swear to defend the U.S. Constitution. I don't think he will be around much in the primaries. Every Liberal Democrat in the race so far has more baggage than a flight to Europe and back.

Dennis

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

Frank T wrote:

The Constitution has been amended 28 times so, obviously, it does change.
I know that some on this site believe the founding fathers were infallible but alas, they were only humans. I doubt very much that they could see the future.
The basic Constitution is a strong and powerful document but if it was perfect, why did we keep amending it, and remember, even the original document was amended with the Bill of Rights before it was signed in 1789.

They were imperfect. Amendments are all geared toward the reigning in, or more clearly defining the governments power, not expanding power. None of them changed course, just focused it. One that did expand its reach too far, was repealed. The precise opposite of what you and liberals desire. But in any case, they are all part of the constitution now- with ways to add more, but repealing would be most difficult.

So yeah, they were imperfect, until compared to those wo ho seek to dismantle it. Your role is relegated to helping define them as close to perfect as a human can be and as a warning to what they feared might happen.

In fact, they could see the future and people like you... and fully expected sooner or later you would succeed, so they wrote in two particularly unusual and exceeding powerful amendments- nothing like them had appeared before in history, to give the rest of us a chance to set it back on track.. then they placed them in the prime positions of importance- 1st and 2nd.

Both under attack by... people exactly like you.

Rose42

Frank T wrote:

The Constitution has been amended 28 times so, obviously, it does change.
I know that some on this site believe the founding fathers were infallible but alas, they were only humans. I doubt very much that they could see the future.
The basic Constitution is a strong and powerful document but if it was perfect, why did we keep amending it, and remember, even the original document was amended with the Bill of Rights before it was signed in 1789.

You have to admit they did an amazing job putting together the original. I don't know of anyone alive today in the US that is capable of doing the same thing.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Government is the fine line between civilization and barbarism ... and eventually broadens into a line which envelopes the society in tyranny.

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

LWW wrote:

Government is the fine line between civilization and barbarism ... and eventually broadens into a line which envelopes the society in tyranny.

To then be mailed to Cuba to be cared for in a way in which they are accustomed to.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

RichieC wrote:

They were imperfect. Amendments are all geared tow... (show quote)

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Frank T wrote:

The Constitution has been amended 28 times so, obviously, it does change.
I know that some on this site believe the founding fathers were infallible but alas, they were only humans. I doubt very much that they could see the future.
The basic Constitution is a strong and powerful document but if it was perfect, why did we keep amending it, and remember, even the original document was amended with the Bill of Rights before it was signed in 1789.

That's bullshit Frank, we just want to see it changed through the amendment process rather than using the courts. The framers had to have the constitution ratified by 3/4 of the states, the same with the existing amendments, in modern America the courts are used which means that 5 unelected officials can bend the constitution to their will and the people have no recourse because the justices are untouchable. No ratification process, no recall through elections, and no check or balance placed upon them by the powers of the other two branches. It is questionable that the founders ever intended for judicial review, it is clearly not found in the constitution.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Blurry
It is the Constitution that gives the Judicial Branch the authority to interpret the Constitution.
If you believe in the Constitution you need to respect that part too.