mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Obviously you have not read the report. Mueller very clearly says that he cannot charge a sitting president even if he wanted to. He felt it was the job of the legislature. He included examples to memorialize the evidence if later prosecutions were coming. I agree that the left needs to continue investigations to present a complete picture to the public. It would take longer to impeach than vote him out.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

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Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

Everyone on the planet knows a sitting President cannot be charged. It is not Muellers job to charge Trump, that is the AG's job. Muellers examples were scenarios he created in his head.

Keep going, the more dems push, the more Americans will speak out at the polls traitor boy troll.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

I think that the guy who was arrested and any of those who follow him are wrong, and you are correct that he is in violation of the law and should face the consequences...

I also think that congress is a failed institution and that 1/2 of those bastards on both sides of the aisle should be thrown out.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think voting Trump out may be a bit of a problem. Of course nobody ever knows for sure how elections will turn out. We will see.

Dennis

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

It is DOJ policy, not even the AG will charge a sitting president. Voters started speaking out in 2018.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

For Gods sake traitor boy, learn to read. I said a sitting President cannot be charged. Mueller did not recommend charges. It is the job of the AG to bring any charges.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

For someone who claims to be a former LEO, you are remarkably ignorant of the Constitutional requirements for a lawful citizen's arrest. This may help:

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/citizen-s-arrest.html

And you are welcome. There is no reason that you could not look that up yourself before posting ignorant gibberish.

The problem with your blanket excuse for the vigilantes is that it it is not clear, nor would it be to at the point of the "arrest" that a felony has been committed. Entering he country seeking asylum is not a crime. It is very doubtful that the militia boy wannabes with their store-bought cammo and big bad guns have either the training or temperament to make the call like that. Further, considering the fact that this extra-judicial activity is not supported by the actual authorities that they can claim to be acting on their behalf. I sure would like to hear one of these ignormamuses explain probable cause.

The militia boy would be within their rights to monitor and then call the actual authorities. But thats not what they are doing. I hope one of them gets their ass sued to oblivion.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

All well and good EXCEPT you are forgetting that different states sometimes have their own restrictions and guidelines for a citizens arrest. In California when it is a misdemeanor the citizen, himself, will be the one actually signing a citation if a citable arrest or the officer will be writing in his report that this is a citizens arrest by Little Baz. The onus is then on the citizen and not the officer because an officer can only arrest on a misdemeanor, that crime which he personally observed.

Before I read it over and over to see what tiny point you think I am missing, what is it exactly where you feel you are correct and I am wrong? Don't be shy and don't tell me to look it up. I did read what you posted and still fail to see what you are talking about.

You tell us that entering the country seeking asylum is not a crime. But now pay attention to this important point you seem to be forgetting. Asylum is granted BEFORE the illegal alien enters the country. You do understand that small matter don't you? Are you really telling us someone can enter the country just by crossing our border, hitchhike to NYC and THEN claim asylum? Ummmmmm, No Bucko, it does not work that way. Surely as an attorney you should be aware of that little, as in YUGE, point. Is that what this is all about? For shame little Bazbo.

I have yet to hear of any law enforcement telling these people that they are not lawful in arresting these illegal aliens. Have you heard that? Has anybody on the forum that is reading this? Of course the one person who was a felon in possession of a firearm was totally in the wrong and everyone I know is happy in their hearts that he is arrested. Hopefully he will do about 5 years in prison. But has anyone actually heard that law enforcement even chewed out these people looking for illegal aliens?

You say, The militia boy would be within their rights to monitor and then call the actual authorities. But thats not what they are doing." So what is it they are doing that you think is against the law but in reality the law enforcement officers don't seem to go along with your opinion? I am without the news lately so have no idea. Are they taking them home to cook dinner, pick fruit, work in plants owned by Democrat leaders, what?

Might I suggest in the future before you get all hot and heavily out of breath that you check your information before you come running and gunning with a GOTCHA attitude. Usually all you will get is laughed at by the rest of the people in The Attic. You are just plain wrong on all counts here my best Bucko friend.

Always tomorrow,

Dennis

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Dennis: what is it exactly where you feel you are correct and I am wrong?

Baz: If there is no unlawful act witnessed, then there can be no basis for a lawful citizens arrest. Seeking asylum is protected by both our laws and international treaty, to which we are bound. Do you think that the store bought cammo guys have the training to make that distinction? There is also the matter in which they are being detained--under the imminent threat of violence (why else are the store bought cammo guys so heavily armed?) which is a whole other legal can of worms (false imprisonment, kidnappping, etc,). If these yahoos had the sense that God gave geese then they would understand the legal peril they are putting themselves in. Which they will find out soon enough if they actually use those weapons, instead gf just trying to intimidate. The actual authorities do not support this. Why do you?

Dennis: I did read what you posted and still fail to see what you are talking about.

Baz; thats on you, not me. Do you want me to bury you in case law citations? If you don't understand the dumbed down version I linked you to, then you have no hope of actually slogging through all of the case law.

Dennis: You tell us that entering the country seeking asylum is not a crime. But now pay attention to this important point you seem to be forgetting. Asylum is granted BEFORE the illegal alien enters the country.

Baz: That may be your opinion, but you are quite wrong on the law.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/03/appeals_court_rules_asylum_seekers_can_go_before_a_judge.html

http://legalnews.com/detroit/1473198/

Maybe you are the one who should be paying attention.

Dennis: Might I suggest in the future before you get all hot and heavily out of breath that you check your information before you come running and gunning with a GOTCHA attitude. Usually all you will get is laughed at by the rest of the people in The Attic. You are just plain wrong on all counts here my best Bucko friend.

Baz: Might I suggest you do a little homework before you post? Another suggestion: learn the difference between insult and argument, a distinction that seems to have escaped you completely. Bucko.

EyeSawYou

Entering the country seeking asylum can be a crime if you are not eligible for an asylum. Only about 30% are granted an asylum.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

You just don't get it or refuse to listen to common sense. You tend to think that you are correct and everyone else is wrong.

When these vigilantes as you call them see a group of people they think are illegal aliens they have a right as citizens of America to inquire as to if those people have papers proving they are in America legally. One of the very first clues you should ponder if this: If they are doing it wrong then someone from law enforcement will be telling them they have no right to stop and question and then detain these suspected illegal aliens. Now that alone would be the most sensible thing anybody should be thinking. If they are doing something wrong then law enforcement will tell them. I don't know about you but that seems sensible to me. On the Conservative side we call this, get ready for it, Common Sense. The unlawful act that seems you Liberals just can't abide by or understand, one or the other, is that an illegal alien, just by being in the boundaries of the American border is ILLEGAL. That person IS COMMITTING A CRIME just being here. Do you not understand that?

From my experience in arresting probably a hundred or so illegal aliens I guarantee that they are noticed right away. So far in my arrests I was correct in identifying every one. Every one of them went to jail because, once again, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BE IN AMERICA. Are you still with me Baz? I am taking a wild stab here but I believe these vigilantes see people who they think do not belong in America and someone questions them, "Donde esta su carde verde"? That always got me by. Then the suspected illegal alien will either bring out his green card or some other means of identification to either identify as either an illegal alien or someone who is supposed to be in America with legal status.

I notice you continue to insult the Americans who are taking it upon themselves to protect America whether you Liberals want it or not, by calling them cammo guys and so on. I am not sure why you would do that when actually they have every right to be here and the illegal aliens do not have a right to be here. They are most likely armed because some illegal aliens are known to be criminals. President Trump mentioned that but you, of course, refuse to believe him. But Baz, it is true. Some of those illegal aliens you Liberals love to defend have come across our border numerous times and have committed numerous crimes of murder, rape, robbery, drug sales and so on. Did I mention rape of children? Yup, all true my friend.

Where was I? Oh yes, training. What training do you honestly think it takes to ask someone you suspect of being in America illegally if they have a green card or other papers showing they are supposed to be here. Even you could do that with 5 minutes training. I don't even know where this is taking place but I suspect it is along the border somewhere. Some of the armed men will know how to speak Spanish.

Yes Baz, bury me in case law citations. I want you to do that. With all the knowledge you have shown so far why don't you just stick with something you can understand like the little cartoons that used to come with Fleer bubble gum. I am sure you can handle that. One thing you forget and this was told to me by a very good criminal attorney, "Dennis you can ask me a law question and I can take a few days or a week to get back to you. Even then you have to remember that what I tell you may or may not win in a court of law. Lawyers always have the other lawyer to think about. He has looked up his case law too. It is the judge who determines which lawyer is correct." "But Dennis you work the streets as a cop. You have seconds to make that same legal decision that it will take me days to figure out." That is it as best as I can remember. You also know, if you are an attorney, that you attorneys often give bad information or threats to people just to make them think, Wow. This guy is an attorney. We better not screw with him. I have won in court against a couple of good trial attorneys and their client went to prison. Don't be thinking that because you can throw around talk of case law etc. that I will run scared. You will find I have little to no respect for the attorney profession. That would now include you my friend.

As to these armed guys using their firearms, you can threaten they will be buried, get sued and so on but if one of the illegal aliens happens to pull a gun or a knife, some weapon on these guys and gets shot the court will simply look at the aggressor and say the illegal alien got shot because he was a dumb ass to pull a gun on a bunch of Americans who are armed. You probably don't know this. After all you are only an attorney but illegal aliens are not allowed to possess firearms in America. So what is the armed alien doing being armed to begin with. Try that in court Baz.

I believe I have gone through your post. That style of writing is for kids. If you do that again with the Baz and then Dennis I will not answer the post.

The common sense thing I think you should remember is this. If these men are not within the law then perhaps you can explain to us why the law has not arrested them or ordered them to desist what they are doing.

There you go, no insults, just a good natured friendly discussion of exactly why these armed men are stopping illegal aliens who are not supposed to be here to begin with.

Dennis

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Hopefully you are not currently in law enforcement. Your ideas are so full of holes that is not worth listing. Besides I am tired of doing your research. One example, the average citizen has NO RIGHT to stop someone because they look Mexican and demand identification. Law Enforcement in modern times has been taught not to profile. It appears that you want to give these idiots more rights than police. How far are you going to take this law of yours, is it fine in Champaign, Illinois or Pueblo, Colorado. Just go outside of Home Depot and stop anyone who looks Mexican? Or is this a selective law that only applies to dark skinned people within ten miles of the border.

skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA

If the 'average citizen' is positioned in sight of the border not at a Port of Entry and sees someone running toward them from that border I think they have every right to stop them regardless of how "they look".

And to Bazo, I would think one truly seeking asylum would walk right up to an entry point and declare so loudly. Not sneak across out in the boonies.