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Apr 20, 2019 01:44:53   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Although there is a Tamron 200-500, I don't have one and meant Nikkor 200-500, which I do have. Yes, 13 Canon ICL bodies. EOS 10D thru 80D, 6D, 7DII, 5DSr, 5DIV, M50. I rarely dispose of my old gear; just put it on a shelf in the camera cabinet. They all get taken out and exercised from time to time. My EF 70-200L was an older one, made in 1995. There's a popular hiking spot not to far from my home called Hawk Mountain. You can look it up on the internet. I was on a rock ledge overlooking the valley below and the Appalachian mountains in east central Pennsylvania. I changed to a wide angle to get a panoramic shot.
I had placed a soft pad on a rock to set the lens on since I was going to put it back on the camera. I don't know what happened or how it got bumped but, the lens fell about 10 feet, hit a rock then fell another 15 feet and hit another rock head on. The front element shattered. A couple internal elements cracked and the barrel sustained several nasty dents. Basically, a $1700 (new) lens was trash. I replaced it with the original Tamron SP 70-200 f/2.8 Di USD.
Although there is a Tamron 200-500, I don't have o... (show quote)


Ah, I see - you meant the Nikkor one ... got it! ... When you put it like that, R - 13 doesn't sound so much.
Shame about that lens. Well, look at the good side - at least, it was ONLY the lens ... you didn't lose a camera, too. I guess, with all those bodies, it might have been a good idea to carry two - one with the tele-zoom mounted, and the other with a UWA mounted. In retrospect - solutions come easy - huh? How do you like that Tamron, compared to the Canon lens you dropped? Is it on a par, or better, or worse?

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Apr 20, 2019 05:45:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Chris T wrote:
There are many reminders, here, of how good the Canon EOS 100-400 II is … but, there are not many mentions of other lenses which achieve similar (or better) zoom ratios. The ones which come immediately to mind are the Tamron 150-600 G2, and the Nikkor 200-500, and the Sigma 50-500 - all quite capable lenses.

Is there a clear winner in this category considering all of the factors which go into making a great tele-zoom?


The lack of mention of other tele zooms in comparison to the 100-400mm L MII is literally there is no comparable lenses to it, except some esoteric prime lenses. All others are in the next down tier of IQ and for that matter build quality (Read Lens Rentals tear down of this lens).
Others are good in their class and those by general acclaim are the Tamron 150-600mm G2, Sigma Sport 150-600mm and the Nikon 200-500mm. But these all are in the next lower quality tier down.
And there have been many discussions here on the quality of these lenses and general consensus is they are of very good quality and good alternates to $12,000 primes unless you are made of money and have a sherpa to haul them around.
So unless you have a Canon or adapt a 100-400mm L MII to a mirrorless camera you will have to choose from the good range of second tier telezooms all of which are quite good and will NOT disappoint you.

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Apr 20, 2019 06:05:59   #
Haydon
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I don't want to get into the middle of something but I have seen a lot of big lenses with a lot of paint missing, typically the long heavy white lenses probably used by busy sports photojournalists or by lens rental companies, I bought my 500 used off of Artie Miller's Birds as Art site, the hood was pretty marked up and chips in the paint but the lens had been through a routine inspection at Canon, receipt from Canon was provided, and the lens is wonderful even though it is not as pretty as my smaller 100-400 zoom, the chips in the paint saved me about a grand. The hoods on those lenses seem to take the worst of it and they cost about $500 to replace.
I don't want to get into the middle of something b... (show quote)


I bought my Canon 500F4 new right at the end of the version one cycle in 2012. This was just before the v2 was to be released. After seeing the new price, I had mine shipped from Canada. Before it was used more than one time I wrapped the entire lens and hood with Lens Coat and cut the window out to make the switches easily accessed. My lens looks brand new and with the money spent, I knew keeping it in great shape was a priority. It's inevitable when shooting birds, brambles and other unforgiving objects can the mar the white unless there is protection.

I concur some long lenses look they narrowly escaped an explosion. I met one guy several years ago with a 5DIII ungripped and he asked me how I kept mine in such great shape. I didn't think much of his comment until he pulled his out. The bottom and sides looked like he cleaned it with coarse sandpaper. To this day, I have never figured out how he managed to deface it on that level.

Prior to Canon discontinuing support above cleanings on that lens, I saw a hood new priced at $750.00. Definitely an eye opener.

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Apr 20, 2019 06:51:28   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Dear amphoto1:

I wanted to take a moment and thank you for showing me these test results. I currently own the Canon 100-400mm ISL II version and love it. But I did really know how it faired with other similar lens from it's neighboring mfgrs. The differences are startling and the last exam where they used the 1.4x teleconverter on the lens sold me even farther. I need to buy that as well and it's already in y budget for next year.


Thank You for your help.

JIMBO

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Apr 20, 2019 07:41:47   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Chris T wrote:
Ah, I see - you meant the Nikkor one ... got it! ... When you put it like that, R - 13 doesn't sound so much.
Shame about that lens. Well, look at the good side - at least, it was ONLY the lens ... you didn't lose a camera, too. I guess, with all those bodies, it might have been a good idea to carry two - one with the tele-zoom mounted, and the other with a UWA mounted. In retrospect - solutions come easy - huh? How do you like that Tamron, compared to the Canon lens you dropped? Is it on a par, or better, or worse?
Ah, I see - you meant the Nikkor one ... got it! .... (show quote)


I didn't have 13 Canon bodies at the time. If I remember correctly my only full frame body at the time was a 6D. I did have two cameras with me that day. A 6D with the 70-200 and a 70D with an EF 400L + EF 1.4X III mounted. Yes, shame about the lens. It's the only lens I ever lost in action.
The EF 70-200L II had been on the market for a few years when I destroyed my lens. The Tamron was brand new to the market and had quite impressive specs. The day before my wife and I left for a trip to Assateague island I went to the local Camera Shop to get a new EF 70-200L II but they were out of them. They did have the Tamron SP 70-200 in stock and at $1499, it was $500 cheaper than the Canon. Optically it was better than my old lens and on par with the new one. Build quality was good although not quite as good as the Canon and although the AF was not as fast, it wasn't bad either. I decided to get that lens. I could always return it after the trip and get the Canon. It performed well enough for me so I kept it. I still use it for a lot of indoor photography when a flash is not permitted or not a good idea. Plus, since the Tamron lens is black, it's not as obvious as the off white Canon lens.

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Apr 20, 2019 07:44:21   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Haydon wrote:
I bought my Canon 500F4 new right at the end of the version one cycle in 2012. This was just before the v2 was to be released. After seeing the new price, I had mine shipped from Canada. Before it was used more than one time I wrapped the entire lens and hood with Lens Coat and cut the window out to make the switches easily accessed. My lens looks brand new and with the money spent, I knew keeping it in great shape was a priority. It's inevitable when shooting birds, brambles and other unforgiving objects can the mar the white unless there is protection.

I concur some long lenses look they narrowly escaped an explosion. I met one guy several years ago with a 5DIII ungripped and he asked me how I kept mine in such great shape. I didn't think much of his comment until he pulled his out. The bottom and sides looked like he cleaned it with coarse sandpaper. To this day, I have never figured out how he managed to deface it on that level.

Prior to Canon discontinuing support above cleanings on that lens, I saw a hood new priced at $750.00. Definitely an eye opener.
I bought my Canon 500F4 new right at the end of th... (show quote)


Mine was nicked up before I bought it, the previous owner was a deep woods hiker, but it does not matter, the lens makes great images, the glass is perfect as is the functionality of the lens. I am good with it, I just got a used 300 f/2.8 from Adorama that is brand new in its appearance, I don't know if I will consider lens coat or not that lens is not nearly as large as the 500...

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Apr 20, 2019 07:55:59   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I didn't have 13 Canon bodies at the time. If I remember correctly my only full frame body at the time was a 6D. I did have two cameras with me that day. A 6D with the 70-200 and a 70D with an EF 400L + EF 1.4X III mounted. Yes, shame about the lens. It's the only lens I ever lost in action.
The EF 70-200L II had been on the market for a few years when I destroyed my lens. The Tamron was brand new to the market and had quite impressive specs. The day before my wife and I left for a trip to Assateague island I went to the local Camera Shop to get a new EF 70-200L II but they were out of them. They did have the Tamron SP 70-200 in stock and at $1499, it was $500 cheaper than the Canon. Optically it was better than my old lens and on par with the new one. Build quality was good although not quite as good as the Canon and although the AF was not as fast, it wasn't bad either. I decided to get that lens. I could always return it after the trip and get the Canon. It performed well enough for me so I kept it. I still use it for a lot of indoor photography when a flash is not permitted or not a good idea. Plus, since the Tamron lens is black, it's not as obvious as the off white Canon lens.
I didn't have 13 Canon bodies at the time. If I re... (show quote)


That Tamron is supposed to be excellent, I have the Canon II version and it is my understanding that DXOmark rates that Tamron as optically superior. Build is a different story.

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Apr 20, 2019 07:58:48   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Chris T wrote:
There are many reminders, here, of how good the Canon EOS 100-400 II is … but, there are not many mentions of other lenses which achieve similar (or better) zoom ratios. The ones which come immediately to mind are the Tamron 150-600 G2, and the Nikkor 200-500, and the Sigma 50-500 - all quite capable lenses.

Is there a clear winner in this category considering all of the factors which go into making a great tele-zoom?


No. It depends on how "engineered" the lens is.

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Apr 20, 2019 08:03:04   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Haydon wrote:
I bought my Canon 500F4 new right at the end of the version one cycle in 2012. This was just before the v2 was to be released. After seeing the new price, I had mine shipped from Canada. Before it was used more than one time I wrapped the entire lens and hood with Lens Coat and cut the window out to make the switches easily accessed. My lens looks brand new and with the money spent, I knew keeping it in great shape was a priority. It's inevitable when shooting birds, brambles and other unforgiving objects can the mar the white unless there is protection.

I concur some long lenses look they narrowly escaped an explosion. I met one guy several years ago with a 5DIII ungripped and he asked me how I kept mine in such xgreat shape. I didn't think much of his comment until he pulled his out. The bottom and sides looked like he cleaned it with coarse sandpaper. To this day, I have never figured out how he managed to deface it on that level.

Prior to Canon discontinuing support above cleanings on that lens, I saw a hood new priced at $750.00. Definitely an eye opener.
I bought my Canon 500F4 new right at the end of th... (show quote)


I'm curious. All of my larger lenses have lens coats on them so I'm familiar with lens coats. If your lens is wrapped in a lens coat, how did the other guy know it is in great shape? I don't know about you but I never take the coats off my lenses and with a coat on, you can't see what the lens looks like underneath.

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Apr 20, 2019 08:13:35   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
That Tamron is supposed to be excellent, I have the Canon II version and it is my understanding that DXOmark rates that Tamron as optically superior. Build is a different story.


I wouldn't say it's superior. On par with the Canon yes, but superior?! There are some categories the Tamron does slightly surpass the Canon but in the end, the Canon is the better lens. The build quality of the Tamron is quite good. Tamron SP lenses are kind of like Canon L lenses. Bottom line, unless one is a lens snob or a pixel peeper, the Tamron SP 70-200 Di USM is on par with its Canon equivalent.

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Apr 20, 2019 08:55:25   #
Haydon
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I'm curious. All of my larger lenses have lens coats on them so I'm familiar with lens coats. If your lens is wrapped in a lens coat, how did the other guy know it is in great shape? I don't know about you but I never take the coats off my lenses and with a coat on, you can't see what the lens looks like underneath.


Sorry morrison, I did not articulate that well. I met at guy while shooting roses at Elizabeth Park just outside of Hartford. He came over to me leering at my 5D3. He asked how I kept the body is such great condition. I told him I'm just very careful where I place it. Mine is gripped btw. He pulled his ungripped 5D3 out of his bag and showed me his. The bottom and sides of the 5D3 body were NOT black. It was completely void of a black finish showing a coarse white abrasion in almost a third of the body. I really wanted to take a picture of his camera but I felt it might create animosity. My apology, I wasn't referring to my 500F4.

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Apr 20, 2019 09:14:53   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Chris T wrote:
There are many reminders, here, of how good the Canon EOS 100-400 II is … but, there are not many mentions of other lenses which achieve similar (or better) zoom ratios. The ones which come immediately to mind are the Tamron 150-600 G2, and the Nikkor 200-500, and the Sigma 50-500 - all quite capable lenses.

Is there a clear winner in this category considering all of the factors which go into making a great tele-zoom?


I have been using the Sigma 100-300 f4 for a long time now - first in Canon mount and now in Sony/Minolta A. It is a GREAT lens ! Takes 1.4 and 2X TC's and it is INTERNAL zoom - just like the BIG boys ! Works with CIZ very WELL also. I have used it along side my Canon 300 2.8 - hard to see a difference !

The first two versions of the Sigma 50-150 f2.8 are also great lenses and internal zoom also.

Tamron also made a decent 200-500 - lightest of the genre and, probably the best "range" IMO. Easier to make than the 4:1 150-600's too !
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Apr 20, 2019 10:00:33   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
In 1977 I bought a Vivitar 70-210. It was a good piece of glass. Built like a tank too. Photos were good. Mounted it to my SRT-101.

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Apr 20, 2019 10:24:56   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Haydon wrote:
Sorry morrison, I did not articulate that well. I met at guy while shooting roses at Elizabeth Park just outside of Hartford. He came over to me leering at my 5D3. He asked how I kept the body is such great condition. I told him I'm just very careful where I place it. Mine is gripped btw. He pulled his ungripped 5D3 out of his bag and showed me his. The bottom and sides of the 5D3 body were NOT black. It was completely void of a black finish showing a coarse white abrasion in almost a third of the body. I really wanted to take a picture of his camera but I felt it might create animosity. My apology, I wasn't referring to my 500F4.
Sorry morrison, I did not articulate that well. I ... (show quote)


That makes sense. I don't have a 5D3, I have a 5DSr and a 5D4 with grips for both but I only use them when I need to. I don't coddle my gear and I try not to abuse it either. All my bodies pretty much look like the day I bought them. I clean them periodically and put them away, except for the 5D4, when not being used. I generally don't use camera bags, I use cases. They do a much better job of protecting the gear and are stackable.
The semi trashed body says something about Canon gear. It's built to take a lickin and keep on clickin.

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Apr 20, 2019 11:10:33   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
From a given manufacturer, with "equal quality" models, a "very long" zoom range lens is harder to design/achieve than a shorter range lens. Many say that ANY zoom cannot equal image quality of a prime lens, focal length to focal length. I would presume that a Canon L lens and a cheaper brand , of the same zoom range, shows better image properties.

What is optimum zoom range is subjective. It's what you demand in reach and image properties (I"m avoiding the subjective "quality"), balanced by how many lenses you want to carry around.

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