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Apr 19, 2019 09:27:40   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
btbg wrote:
The indictments had nothing to do with the purpose of the investigation. They all had to do with either crimes that had occurred prior to anything that the allegations were about or for lying under oath. The lying indictments are especially suspect, because if you speak to the FBI without an attorney present and speak even just a little carelessly then the next time they question you and it doesn't quite match next thing you know you are guilty of lying under oath.

But without the investigation in the first place you would have committed no crime. Are you really ok with people going to jail who may only have misspoken.

Maniford and those of his ilk absolutely go after them, but Manifords crimes had nothing to do with Trump. Flynn, that's another story. His reputation and career are destroyed and as far as I can tell he did not deliberately do anything wrong.
The indictments had nothing to do with the purpose... (show quote)

Why go after Manafort if the only reason we knew about him was the Mueller investigation?
But the Mueller investigation should never have happened...

Aren't you talking both sides at the same time?

While I don't necessarily disagree with your depiction of lying to the FBI...I think it was a bit more than that in this case.

So, if you never ask me a question then I can't be accused of lying to you....Hmmmmmmmmmm...Interesting
But, if you do ask me a question and I lie to you, should you be able to "get called for it" even though you shouldn't have asked me in the first place....Hmmmmmmmmm.....Interesting.

In an investigation, one asks many questions in order to get to the truth.
I'm sorry that some people chose to lie.

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Apr 19, 2019 09:29:12   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
Well, If I have mental issues(not saying I don't) at least I can state, one way or the other, that I do or do not support investigating allegations, especially serious one, and prosecuting anyone who has broken the law.

You seem to not be able to state where you stand on such a simple concept.

Oh well.


It is incumbent for a governing body to investigate allegations, especially serious ones; like a foreign country destroying the integrity of our elections. That is why the Mueller investigation was appropriate and fair. Those whose lies are uncovered by any investigation is such investigations are strictly accountable.

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Apr 19, 2019 10:05:30   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
“The President’s actions did not rise to acts of criminal obstruction of justice.”
That is a twisted interpretation of what Mueller did NOT say.


Volume II, of 2 of the Mueller report:

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

Newsflash! The standard for a special prosecutor is not exoneration...it is prosecution,.

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Apr 19, 2019 10:06:08   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Obstruction of justice can occur when there is no conviction of a crime which gave rise to the obstruction attempt.


Read the report! I did....finished about 3 a.m.

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Apr 19, 2019 10:26:54   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It is not in dispute that a foreign country engaged in disrupting the 2016 election with the intent to make Trump our President.
What is anyone, especially the current President, doing to address that, and protect the electoral process in the future?
The Meuller report is not a win for Trump, it is the exposure of an unfit Constitutional "leader" who still thinks Putin is his buddy.
Maybe he is.
This country is in trouble.


My god man, what have you been drinking?

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Apr 19, 2019 10:30:10   #
Angmo
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It is incumbent for a governing body to investigate allegations, especially serious ones; like a foreign country destroying the integrity of our elections. That is why the Mueller investigation was appropriate and fair. Those whose lies are uncovered by any investigation is such investigations are strictly accountable.


To investigate an obviously false accusation? Wrong. Did you hear the media howl false allegations and lies for 2 years or what?

The intent was also clear. Evil.

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Apr 19, 2019 10:37:11   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Angmo wrote:
To investigate an obviously false accusation? Wrong. Did you hear the media howl false allegations and lies for 2 years or what?

The intent was also clear. Evil.

Why was it "obviously false"? Because they came from Dems?

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Apr 19, 2019 10:41:52   #
Angmo
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
Why was it "obviously false"? Because they came from Dems?


The “fake Dossier”

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Apr 19, 2019 10:52:10   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Today, a Scott Martelle LA Times article counsels Democrats to scrap impeachment moves in that such would detract from the main job - defeating Trump in 2020. In my mind there is another job and that is to deny Trump Republican endorsement next summer.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:05:49   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Angmo wrote:
The “fake Dossier”

Fox News has normalized a lie about the origins of the Russia investigation
They want you to believe it began with the Steele dossier. It didn’t.

http://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/18277089/fox-news-steele-dossier-lie-trump-witch-hunt

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Apr 19, 2019 11:08:59   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
Fox News has normalized a lie about the origins of the Russia investigation
They want you to believe it began with the Steele dossier. It didn’t.

http://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/18277089/fox-news-steele-dossier-lie-trump-witch-hunt

No, it began with an intelligence agency setting up Carter Page. They used two western assetts to compromise Page and that began the investigation.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:22:08   #
pendennis
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
I'm confused....again.

If the investigation was based completely on lies.......where did all of the indictments and guilty pleas come from?


The indictments, trials, and guilty pleas were all "process crimes", those which arose as a result of the investigation, but not directly tied to it.

Probably the most famous is Martha Stewart, lying to the FBI.

It's also why you should NEVER talk to the cops without a lawyer.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:23:37   #
Angmo
 
pendennis wrote:
The indictments, trials, and guilty pleas were all "process crimes", those which arose as a result of the investigation, but not directly tied to it.

Probably the most famous is Martha Stewart, lying to the FBI.

It's also why you should NEVER talk to the cops without a lawyer.


And don’t trust the lawyer

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Apr 19, 2019 11:27:26   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It is incumbent for a governing body to investigate allegations, especially serious ones; like a foreign country destroying the integrity of our elections. That is why the Mueller investigation was appropriate and fair. Those whose lies are uncovered by any investigation is such investigations are strictly accountable.


You see no problems with what the government has done in this investigation but you will, it is coming and even you will have to reconsider everything you thought you knew about this mess that a few bureaucratic zealots have created. It very well may go up as far up as Obama's White House.

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Apr 19, 2019 11:29:10   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
pendennis wrote:
The indictments, trials, and guilty pleas were all "process crimes", those which arose as a result of the investigation, but not directly tied to it.

Probably the most famous is Martha Stewart, lying to the FBI.

It's also why you should NEVER talk to the cops without a lawyer.

I don't disagree, but, Martha Stewart was convicted of Insider Trading.

It wouldn't have mattered if she talked with or without a lawyer.
Guilty is guilty.

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