Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Fake photos
Page <<first <prev 4 of 21 next> last>>
Apr 18, 2019 10:53:14   #
srt101fan
 
AndyH wrote:
That's an artistic judgement that we all make when we look at an image. I am a great believer in processing - I spent hours poring over Ansel Adams's technical books as a kid, and used his methods to achieve the images that I "saw" in my mind when I was taking a photograph. Even back then, it was possible to "overcook" an image in a way that didn't look good to my eyes. Adams and his f/64 friends were virulently opposed to the gauzy unsharpness and contrast of the "pictorialist" school.

Today, we have so many more tools, and there are so many visual examples presented to us through all sorts of media, that overcooked has become the new normal. (Go look at motivational and other commercially available posters to see examples of people whose sliders are all too far to the right) We don't have to like it, but HDR, oversaturated colors, and impossible focus stacking are real trends. Do a little, you may produce a great image. Do too much, IMHO, and you'll wind up with images that produce negative reactions.

So, to me, unless you're a photojournalist or documentarian, there is no intrinsic merit or superiority in shooting SOOC. Exposure, contrast, and other variables are just as controlled in a digital environment as they were in a wet one. The choice of how much is too much, and of what constitutes excessive artificial enhancement is in the eye of the beholder, just as it always has been.

Andy
That's an artistic judgement that we all make when... (show quote)


"...overcooked has become the new normal...."

How true, how sad....

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 10:59:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
srt101fan wrote:
"...overcooked has become the new normal...."

How true, how sad....


Reply
Apr 18, 2019 11:22:04   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
stanco wrote:
Why distort what the camera sees? .Why not look at what nature display.


A camera is just a tool to be used as you see fit. What nature displays is different than what the camera records and its also different than what the eye records and the brain interprets.

Use your camera as you see fit but don't expect others to follow or even see what you think you see.

Reply
 
 
Apr 18, 2019 11:50:21   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
stanco wrote:
Why distort what the camera sees? .Why not look at what nature display.

The camera's "vision" is less than mine, physically (in range of color, focus, depth of field, etc.), "seeing" (my mind does a lot of selecting), and imagination----is why.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 12:12:43   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
"Support of extreme post-processing in defense of creativity is no vice. And insistence on straight out of camera in pursuit of "purity" is no virtue". -Gary Boldwater-

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 12:29:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
"Support of extreme post-processing in defense of creativity is no vice. And insistence on straight out of camera in pursuit of "purity" is no virtue". -Gary Boldwater-


Reply
Apr 18, 2019 12:56:45   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
SOOC is always best! It's not fake or make believe!


It is very simple to distort reality what a camera. Ever shoot with a fish eye lens? Hell, until color film was available the camera distorted every single image it captured.

Reply
 
 
Apr 18, 2019 13:35:31   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
SOOC is always best! It's not fake or make believe!



Reply
Apr 18, 2019 13:43:38   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
yes, it was but done without post processing. When I was in my heyday, it was mostly black and white and slide film. I just do not like to see pictures that are overcooked and not realistic. I've been doing the digital since about 2009. Anything coming out of a camera now is processed, however, the more realistic it is the better I like it. To each his own. I must say there are times when I realize a need for something more to make the picture or just the subject stand out. But definitely do not like overcooked and unrealistic images.
yes, it was but done without post processing. Whe... (show quote)


Again
I understand.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 14:06:47   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
If an image by a photographer in search of the artistic can be called fake, then all those artistic images on canvas must also be fake. When I or any photographer works with an image to bring it as close to our visualization of a scene as we can, we are not faking. Trust us on this, we are being as genuine as we can be. We are striving to come up with something that others will find worth looking at. And usually wish we could do better. Where is it written that the use of a camera to capture an image as a first step in a process, restricts how that image can be displayed. Should canvas only be used in practical applications, like tents? To take a stand and proclaim to the world that the only true images are those that have never been adjusted in anyway is either a display of ignorance about creativity or overblown arrogance. Or both.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 14:14:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Rich1939 wrote:
If an image by a photographer in search of the artistic can be called fake, then all those artistic images on canvas must also be fake. When I or any photographer works with an image to bring it as close to our visualization of a scene as we can, we are not faking. Trust us on this, we are being as genuine as we can be. We are striving to come up with something that others will find worth looking at. And usually wish we could do better. Where is it written that the use of a camera to capture an image as a first step in a process, restricts how that image can be displayed. Should canvas only be used in practical applications, like tents? To take a stand and proclaim to the world that the only true images are those that have never been adjusted in anyway is either a display of ignorance about creativity or overblown arrogance. Or both.
If an image by a photographer in search of the art... (show quote)


(Or stuck.)

Reply
 
 
Apr 18, 2019 14:19:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
You can set the "sliders" in the camera, doing everything you might in post, and the image comes out of the camera as "SOOC". But it was really tweaked by the camera.
What's the difference if I set the camera to "pre-tweak" or have the sliders all set to mid-range and tweak it myself in post?
Oh, I know, I get a nice SOOC......

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 14:20:30   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
stanco wrote:
Why distort what the camera sees? .Why not look at what nature display.


Wait. Which do you want to do settle for what the camera sees or what nature displays? They are not the same thing.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 14:25:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Wait. Which do you want to do settle for what the camera sees or what nature displays? They are not the same thing.


And the third variable is what your mind sees, which is a perception of reality.

Reply
Apr 18, 2019 14:29:29   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
SOOC is always best! It's not fake or make believe!


Only in your mind . . . And in certain situations

Reply
Page <<first <prev 4 of 21 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.