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Apr 13, 2019 22:54:03   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Streets wrote:
RAW IS FOR MASOCHISTS! I have all the faith in the world to stay with jpeg. I tried working raw and was never able to achieve a better natural image than what jpeg produced with one shutter actuation. If you hate people, live in consistently bad weather, and can never leave well enough alone, go for raw.


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Apr 14, 2019 00:11:18   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
davyboy wrote:
Just remember you can post process in jpeg


Yes, you can. But to no where the extent, if you have all the data to work with. There are corrections that can be made when working with the raw data that are not possible with jpeg files.
Bottom line, if you don't want to shoot raw, don't. For many, many people and applications, jpeg is good enough.

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Apr 14, 2019 00:21:34   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Streets wrote:
RAW IS FOR MASOCHISTS! I have all the faith in the world to stay with jpeg. I tried working raw and was never able to achieve a better natural image than what jpeg produced with one shutter actuation. If you hate people, live in consistently bad weather, and can never leave well enough alone, go for raw.


No, RAW is for people who want to be in complete control of their images. If you want all the data the camera recorded and aren't afraid to learn how to process that data, shoot RAW. If the cameras scene modes and or presets produce good enough images then by all means, shoot JPEG. If you want to hedge your bets and get instant gratification, shoot both.
It's a choice, not a rule.

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Apr 15, 2019 10:17:25   #
chuck A7R3
 
Thanks for response. Is FOTOR more capable than the Microsoft packaged edit s/w found in windows 10?

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Apr 15, 2019 11:05:38   #
was_a_guru
 
In this thread (as well as many other topic threads) I keep seeing the comment "memory is cheap". I do agree with that (or maybe not cheap (SD cards, & SSDs), but inexpensive). But what about the infrastructure with having terabytes of photos to deal with.

Do you want all of them instantly available and connected to your system on a large storage array or are you willing to have file cabinet full of legacy drives from years past with your older pictures?

And how do you deal with knowing where everything is and how to best access it? Most of the photo editing tools have good solutions for that but if you don't have every photo you have in say LR then that may be an issue. When your good friends John and Marsha ask you if you can send them the pictures you took at their wedding nine years ago because they lost everything in the California fires last year, can you easily do that?

And then of course (their request reminds you) what about backup of all your photos. Protection from mechanical or corruption failures (onsite) or your exposure to disasters (theft, earthquakes, fire, flood, etc. - offsite)

And of course lastly changes in technologies in particular interfaces. USB has for the most part provided reasonable backward compatibility but that may not always be the case. If your computer dies will your next one easily support all your current storage or will you need a nest of different adapters?

So, I'm not advocating one way or the other on jpeg vs. raw or jpeg + raw. I'm just pointing out some of the things that should be considered when making that decision in addition to the artistic considerations.

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Apr 15, 2019 11:29:47   #
Streets Loc: Euless, TX.
 
chuck A7R3 wrote:
Thanks for response. Is FOTOR more capable than the Microsoft packaged edit s/w found in windows 10?


I'm on windows9 so I can't help you with that one. I just think that Free Fotor answers all my needs.

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Apr 15, 2019 11:45:36   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
was_a_guru wrote:
In this thread (as well as many other topic threads) I keep seeing the comment "memory is cheap". I do agree with that (or maybe not cheap (SD cards, & SSDs), but inexpensive). But what about the infrastructure with having terabytes of photos to deal with.

Do you want all of them instantly available and connected to your system on a large storage array or are you willing to have file cabinet full of legacy drives from years past with your older pictures?

And how do you deal with knowing where everything is and how to best access it? Most of the photo editing tools have good solutions for that but if you don't have every photo you have in say LR then that may be an issue. When your good friends John and Marsha ask you if you can send them the pictures you took at their wedding nine years ago because they lost everything in the California fires last year, can you easily do that?

And then of course (their request reminds you) what about backup of all your photos. Protection from mechanical or corruption failures (onsite) or your exposure to disasters (theft, earthquakes, fire, flood, etc. - offsite)

And of course lastly changes in technologies in particular interfaces. USB has for the most part provided reasonable backward compatibility but that may not always be the case. If your computer dies will your next one easily support all your current storage or will you need a nest of different adapters?

So, I'm not advocating one way or the other on jpeg vs. raw or jpeg + raw. I'm just pointing out some of the things that should be considered when making that decision in addition to the artistic considerations.
In this thread (as well as many other topic thread... (show quote)


I'm one of those who advocates for NOT having everything online all the time. Since my high school days, I've filed everything in chronological order. It's relatively easy for me to find negatives I made in 1969. (My event memory is pretty good, and besides, I have my yearbooks to back it up.)

Since working in Lightroom, I've started a new catalog every time I've started a new drive. The new catalog is on that drive. The drives are stored by date, say, 2014 to 2016 for one of them. When I need an image from 2015, I plug in that drive and point Lightroom to that catalog. Boom!

On that drive, my images are separated by year, and event within the year. Each event includes the date and a few descriptive words. In the Library, it is very easy to find the event I need, pop up the images on the grid or "light table" motif, click on the image, and do what I want with it in Develop or Print (or just export it).

I worked in a large portrait lab for decades. When we transitioned to digital production in the early 2000s, we had a similar setup. We had 72 TB online, and a database application to manage it. We could find and load any job (event) in seconds, by following a simple path similar to this one:

Territory Number --> Customer Number --> Job Number --> Session Number

Job numbers were structured so that we knew the year by looking at them. The database stored the file location for each job on the server. A separate database identified each subject in a job's subject database, which led to all the associated order data, and the associated image(s) for each subject. Between our retail territories and our wholesale customer territories, we photographed millions of people each year, so we had to be able to keep them straight!

If the market changes to the point where my old drives can't be read by current ports, I'll just disassemble the cases, pull out the bare drives, and use a universal drive adapter to copy data to a new drive standard. https://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/U3NV2SPATA/ They've built adapters like these for many years now, and I've no doubt they'll update it for USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 or whatever they need to.

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Apr 15, 2019 21:35:36   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
8 pages of RAW v. JPEG pontifications and probably a few hundred more in the archives, belaboring the same points again and again. Then when someone tries to lighten it up with what I took to be a tongue-in-cheek comment about a certain "non-word" being used, he gets ridiculed and his photographic skills called into question. When did everyone get so bloody serious? I know it's popular nowadays to be touchy and think everything is a slam in some form or another, but really...? Maybe time to grab your crayons and hit your safe space...

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Apr 15, 2019 21:42:48   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
tommystrat wrote:
8 pages of RAW v. JPEG pontifications and probably a few hundred more in the archives, belaboring the same points again and again. Then when someone tries to lighten it up with what I took to be a tongue-in-cheek comment about a certain "non-word" being used, he gets ridiculed and his photographic skills called into question. When did everyone get so bloody serious? I know it's popular nowadays to be touchy and think everything is a slam in some form or another, but really...? Maybe time to grab your crayons and hit your safe space...
8 pages of RAW v. JPEG pontifications and probably... (show quote)


Well said.

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Apr 15, 2019 22:01:13   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
tommystrat wrote:
8 pages of RAW v. JPEG pontifications and probably a few hundred more in the archives, belaboring the same points again and again. Then when someone tries to lighten it up with what I took to be a tongue-in-cheek comment about a certain "non-word" being used, he gets ridiculed and his photographic skills called into question. When did everyone get so bloody serious? I know it's popular nowadays to be touchy and think everything is a slam in some form or another, but really...? Maybe time to grab your crayons and hit your safe space...
8 pages of RAW v. JPEG pontifications and probably... (show quote)


I don't believe it's a question of "everyone", just a few have to be so "bloody serious". Of course, you're the one accusing everyone who responded on topic as pontificating and belaboring. Here's the reality; if no one ever brought up something that has not been previously discussed at some point in time, there wouldn't be very many discussions taking place here.

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Apr 15, 2019 22:22:12   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I don't believe it's a question of "everyone", just a few have to be so "bloody serious". Of course, you're the one accusing everyone who responded on topic as pontificating and belaboring. Here's the reality; if no one ever brought up something that has not been previously discussed at some point in time, there wouldn't be very many discussions taking place here.


Funny ... but true!

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Apr 15, 2019 23:39:33   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Bill_de wrote:
Funny ... but true!

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That's one of my pet peeves. People complaining that something has already been discussed! Seriously?! Do they actually believe every UHH member has participated in every conversation ever conducted here?! What on earth do they think a social media web site is all about? Or is it a case of maybe, not thinking?
Just the other day, maybe yesterday, someone again asked what lens or lenses they should take on vacation. I truly believe that is one of the top questions/discussions brought up here. My opinion is, they're not so much in need of advice on lenses as they are letting others know they're going some place really cool for vacation. My point being, people seam quite willing to offer advice on what lenses to use and rarely if ever point out how often that same question gets asked. Now I'm no pro photographer; own a lot of pro grade gear but I don't do photography for a living. That said, even I know what lenses to take on vacation; as many as I can. But seriously, I like to see America at see level. Not that this has anything to do with people complaining about what has already been discussed, but I'm sure it will piss off someone.

By the way, speaking of seeing America at see level; which one is better, Bombay Hook or Prime Hook, for overall accessibility, subject matter and near by lodging without advance reservations? I ask because I live about 15/20 minutes from the PA DE line, depending on traffic, and I'm looking for good wetlands to shoot in. I've been to the south Fenwick island and OCMD area and Assateague and Chincoteague numerous times but am looking a little bit farther north. John Heinz in PA is nice but it's still next to one of the largest airports in the USA.

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Apr 16, 2019 10:57:34   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
So which IS better - RAW or JPEG?

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Apr 16, 2019 11:01:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
tommystrat wrote:
So which IS better - RAW or JPEG?


Yes.

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Apr 16, 2019 11:15:05   #
Streets Loc: Euless, TX.
 
burkphoto wrote:
I'm one of those who advocates for NOT having everything online all the time. Since my high school days, I've filed everything in chronological order. It's relatively easy for me to find negatives I made in 1969. (My event memory is pretty good, and besides, I have my yearbooks to back it up.)

Since working in Lightroom, I've started a new catalog every time I've started a new drive. The new catalog is on that drive. The drives are stored by date, say, 2014 to 2016 for one of them. When I need an image from 2015, I plug in that drive and point Lightroom to that catalog. Boom!

On that drive, my images are separated by year, and event within the year. Each event includes the date and a few descriptive words. In the Library, it is very easy to find the event I need, pop up the images on the grid or "light table" motif, click on the image, and do what I want with it in Develop or Print (or just export it).

I worked in a large portrait lab for decades. When we transitioned to digital production in the early 2000s, we had a similar setup. We had 72 TB online, and a database application to manage it. We could find and load any job (event) in seconds, by following a simple path similar to this one:

Territory Number --> Customer Number --> Job Number --> Session Number

Job numbers were structured so that we knew the year by looking at them. The database stored the file location for each job on the server. A separate database identified each subject in a job's subject database, which led to all the associated order data, and the associated image(s) for each subject. Between our retail territories and our wholesale customer territories, we photographed millions of people each year, so we had to be able to keep them straight!

If the market changes to the point where my old drives can't be read by current ports, I'll just disassemble the cases, pull out the bare drives, and use a universal drive adapter to copy data to a new drive standard. https://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/U3NV2SPATA/ They've built adapters like these for many years now, and I've no doubt they'll update it for USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 or whatever they need to.
I'm one of those who advocates for NOT having ever... (show quote)


Gee Bill, that's a whole lotta shit I really didn't need to know about!

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