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Notre Dame ablaze; could it be jihad arson?
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Apr 16, 2019 09:19:42   #
pendennis
 
France leads Europe in moving to a sectarian society. Christian religions of all denominations are stagnant, to declining in many countries.

Secularists show little, if any respect for those symbols of Christianity. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine a conflagration started by them.

However, the latest reports are stating the origins are accidental.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:24:11   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
steve03 wrote:


This opinion piece means nothing as it relates to facts and the actions of muslims and what the Quoran teaches.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:24:22   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
steve03 wrote:


Maybe they could start by asking themselves why they sexually mutilate their own daughters.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:25:16   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
idaholover wrote:
Ya, no kidding. Ask Trump.


Trump has told over 900 lies since becoming President,Why would I ask him anything? I see the right wing
wing nuts sitting in their easy chairs wearing the aluminum foil covered MAGA hats with a remote in one hand and Burbon in the other watching conspiracy theory commentators and believing whatever BS they sprout out. Go back to your hole of hate.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:25:19   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
steve03 wrote:


They also condone lying to infidels.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:25:40   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
idaholover wrote:
Maybe they could start by asking themselves why they sexually mutilate their own daughters.


Or why they marry children 8 or 9 years old, or why they beat their women.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:26:27   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
steve03 wrote:
Trump has told over 900 lies since becoming President,Why would I ask him anything? I see the right wing
wing nuts sitting in their easy chairs wearing the aluminum foil covered MAGA hats with a remote in one hand and Burbon in the other watching conspiracy theory commentators and believing whatever BS they sprout out. Go back to your hole of hate.


Good luck with that

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Apr 16, 2019 09:27:15   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Or why they marry children 8 or 9 years old, or why they beat their women.



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Apr 16, 2019 09:28:41   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
steve03 wrote:
Trump has told over 900 lies since becoming President,Why would I ask him anything? I see the right wing
wing nuts sitting in their easy chairs wearing the aluminum foil covered MAGA hats with a remote in one hand and Burbon in the other watching conspiracy theory commentators and believing whatever BS they sprout out. Go back to your hole of hate.


I thought it was 9000 lies. You need to up your hate quotient a bit.

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Apr 16, 2019 09:36:21   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
steve03 wrote:
Trump has told over 900 lies since becoming President,Why would I ask him anything? I see the right wing
wing nuts sitting in their easy chairs wearing the aluminum foil covered MAGA hats with a remote in one hand and Burbon in the other watching conspiracy theory commentators and believing whatever BS they sprout out. Go back to your hole of hate.


I see the left wing nuts as cry baby whiners rioting and burning buildings because they didn't get their own way.....in other word, they lost AGAIN.

The issue is the lib fascist socialist dems have no platform to run on that interests anybody. Your message is I hate Trump just like it was in 2016. Lets see how that plays out. Or you could make gun control your cause, or maybe talk about screwing up the economy like obummer did.

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Apr 16, 2019 10:00:42   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Countless churches throughout Western Europe are being vandalized, defecated on, and torched.

In France, two churches are desecrated every day on average. According to PI-News, a German news site, 1,063 attacks on Christian churches or symbols (crucifixes, icons, statues) were registered in France in 2018. This represents a 17% increase compared to the previous year (2017), when 878 attacks were registered— meaning that such attacks are only going from bad to worse.

Among some of the recent desecrations in France, the following took place in just February and March:

Vandals plundered Notre-Dame des Enfants Church in Nîmes and used human excrement to draw a cross there; consecrated bread was found thrown outside among garbage.

The Saint-Nicolas Church in Houilles was vandalized on three separate occasions in February; a 19th century statue of the Virgin Mary, regarded as "irreparable," was "completely pulverized," said a clergyman; and a hanging cross was thrown to the floor.

Vandals desecrated and smashed crosses and statues at Saint-Alain Cathedral in Lavaur, and mangled the arms of a statue of a crucified Christ in a mocking manner. In addition, an altar cloth was burned.
Arsonists torched the Church of St. Sulpice in Paris soon after midday mass on Sunday, March 17.

Similar reports are coming out of Germany. Four separate churches were vandalized and/or torched in March alone. "In this country," PI-News explained, "there is a creeping war against everything that symbolizes Christianity: attacks on mountain-summit crosses, on sacred statues by the wayside, on churches... and recently also on cemeteries."

Who is primarily behind these ongoing and increasing attacks on churches in Europe? The same German report offers a hint: "Crosses are broken, altars smashed, Bibles set on fire, baptismal fonts overturned, and the church doors smeared with Islamic expressions like 'Allahu Akbar.'" ("Allah is the greatest of all gods.")

Another German report from November 11, 2017 noted that in the Alps and Bavaria alone, around 200 churches were attacked and many crosses broken: "Police are currently dealing with church desecrations again and again. The perpetrators are often youthful rioters with a migration background." Elsewhere they are described as "young Islamists."

Sometimes, sadly, in European regions with large Muslim populations, there seems to be a concomitant rise in attacks on churches and Christian symbols. Before Christmas 2016, in the North Rhine-Westphalia region of Germany, where more than a million Muslims reside, some 50 public Christian statues (including those of Jesus) were beheaded and crucifixes broken.

In 2016, following the arrival in Germany of another million mostly Muslim migrants, a local newspaper reported that in the town of Dülmen, "'not a day goes by' without attacks on religious statues in the town of less than 50,000 people, and the immediate surrounding area."

In France it also seems that where the number of Muslim migrants increases, so do attacks on churches. A January 2017 study revealed that, "Islamist extremist attacks on Christians" in France rose by 38 percent, going from 273 attacks in 2015 to 376 in 2016; the majority occurred during Christmas season and "many of the attacks took place in churches and other places of worship."

As a typical example, in 2014, a Muslim man committed "major acts of vandalism" inside a historic Catholic church in Thonon-les-Bains. According to a report (with pictures) he "overturned and broke two altars, the candelabras and lecterns, destroyed statues, tore down a tabernacle, twisted a massive bronze cross, smashed in a sacristy door and even broke some stained-glass windows." He also "trampled on" the Eucharist.

For similar examples in other European countries, please see here, here, here, here, and here.

In virtually every instance of church attacks, authorities and media obfuscate the identity of the vandals. In those rare instances when the Muslim (or "migrant") identity of the destroyers is leaked, the perpetrators are then falsely presented as suffering from mental health issues. As the recent PI-News report says:

"Hardly anyone writes and speaks about the increasing attacks on Christian symbols. There is an eloquent silence in both France and Germany about the scandal of the desecrations and the origin of the perpetrators.... Not a word, not even the slightest hint that could in anyway lead to the suspicion of migrants or their Muslim beliefs... It is not the perpetrators who are in danger of being ostracized, but those who dare to associate the desecration of Christian symbols with immigrant imports. They are accused of hatred, hate speech and racism."

Raymond Ibrahim, author of the new book, Sword and Scimitar, Fourteen Centuries of War between Islam and the West, is a Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Gatestone Institute and a Judith Rosen Friedman Fellow at the Middle East Forum.
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A rational person would wait for evidence before engaging in this reckless speculation. I remember that immediately after the Las Vegas mass shooting several of you right wingers announced it was Islamic terrorists. Turned out...not so much.

I don't see you posting anything about the Louisiana churches being burned to the ground recently. Or the Pittsburg synagogue massacre. Or the murder of the worshipers at Mother Emmanuel Church in Charleston. Apparently white supremisist or neo-Nazi violence is not animating enough for you.

But let anything bad happen anywhere in the world and it's the fault of Muslims. Of course.

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Apr 16, 2019 10:08:07   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Bazbo wrote:
A rational person would wait for evidence before engaging in this reckless speculation. I remember that immediately after the Las Vegas mass shooting several of you right wingers announced it was Islamic terrorists. Turned out...not so much.

I don't see you posting anything about the Louisiana churches being burned to the ground recently. Or the Pittsburg synagogue massacre. Or the murder of the worshipers at Mother Emmanuel Church in Charleston. Apparently white supremisist or neo-Nazi violence is not animating enough for you.

But let anything bad happen anywhere in the world and it's the fault of Muslims. Of course.
A rational person would wait for evidence before e... (show quote)


It guess it all comes down to "just because some people did something" right?

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Apr 16, 2019 10:36:57   #
AlMac Loc: Newcastle Upon Tyne - UK
 
Bob Smith wrote:
I'm so lucky just to think only yesterday I was welding there.


May not have been your fault!



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Apr 16, 2019 10:48:11   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
The basic thought in this OP has crossed my mind, but I think it is too early to speculatr. As the fire started at the top how could the ‘starter’ get up there un-noticed.

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Apr 16, 2019 10:50:57   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
John_F wrote:
The basic thought in this OP has crossed my mind, but I think it is too early to speculatr. As the fire started at the top how could the ‘starter’ get up there un-noticed.


I doubt a person started it.

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