Going on a cruise (Page 2): Working and living quarters conditions, extremely low pay, disregard of environmental laws, blatant up selling of services to passengers and a host of other...

Fayle Loc: Seward, Alaska and Rionegro, Colombia

Kmgw9v wrote:

“what goes on behind scenes” that is appalling?

Working and living quarters conditions, extremely low pay, disregard of environmental laws, blatant up selling of services to passengers and a host of other issues.

fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH

I always love it when a mega company like this caught for serious violations issues a statement like," "Our environmental (you can substitute pubic health, public safety, etc.) responsibility has been and continues to be a top priority for the company." (quote from article)

Yeah, sure. My "top priority" is to become a billionaire astronaut philanthropist. Doesn't mean it's ever going to happen, though.

Once again this shows that businesses cannot be trusted to self-regulate. State and Federal enforcement agencies may be slow and inefficient but for most of us, they're all the protection we have.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Fayle wrote:

Working and living quarters conditions, extremely low pay, disregard of environmental laws, blatant up selling of services to passengers and a host of other issues.

Ok. Thanks.

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

Fayle wrote:

To all you good folks who are planning on going on a cruise...
Please research your choices carefully. The cruise industries are not good stewards of our environment. They falsely consider their corporate profits more important than the places they visit.
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2019/04/11/judge-threatens-to-ban-carnival-cruise-ships-from-us-ports-over-environmental-violations/

https://www.amazon.com/Overbooked-Exploding-Business-Travel-Tourism/dp/1439160996

Beyond the pollution issues, if you have been to Bar Harbor in the last few years you will be aware of how the cruise industry can destroy the ambiance of any port to disgorging a thousand or more traveller into a small town. Magnify that by 2 or 3 ships in port at the same time. For that reason we will never return to Mount Desert Island during the cruise season.

KR Pletzer

Fayle wrote:

To all you good folks who are planning on going on a cruise...
Please research your choices carefully. The cruise industries are not good stewards of our environment. They falsely consider their corporate profits more important than the places they visit.
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2019/04/11/judge-threatens-to-ban-carnival-cruise-ships-from-us-ports-over-environmental-violations/

https://www.amazon.com/Overbooked-Exploding-Business-Travel-Tourism/dp/1439160996

Apparently I’m very much in the minority here. I have been on a number of cruises and continue to feel they are the ultimate vacation; you pack your belongings, get on the ship, unpack and let them take you to many places you only dream about while being pampered and waited upon, and dining on gourmet cuisine.

I do agree that anyone considering a cruise should research their choices carefully, but it is a gross generalization to paint the entire industry with the same brush based on the news reports of a single cruise line.

I have sailed on several different cruise lines, but not on Carnival so I can’t speak from personal experience with that line. However, I had decided early on in my cruising that Carnival was a line I would never use, but for other reasons than stated in this posting.

Some may not care for the overcrowding of a venue when a cruise ship is in port, but there are a number of cruise destinations whose economies are almost solely dependent on those cruise passengers.

berchman Loc: South Central PA

fourlocks wrote:

Once again this shows that businesses cannot be trusted to self-regulate. State and Federal enforcement agencies may be slow and inefficient but for most of us, they're all the protection we have.

And that protection is rapidly disappearing under the current administration.

Ront53 Loc: Maryland

Calculate how much money the cruise industry puts into the places they visit.

traderjohn Loc: New York City

berchman wrote:

And that protection is rapidly disappearing under the current administration.

What was the protection before?

traderjohn Loc: New York City

BobHartung wrote:

Beyond the pollution issues, if you have been to Bar Harbor in the last few years you will be aware of how the cruise industry can destroy the ambiance of any port to disgorging a thousand or more traveller into a small town. Magnify that by 2 or 3 ships in port at the same time. For that reason we will never return to Mount Desert Island during the cruise season.

Ok. Now you know.

traderjohn Loc: New York City

Bill Munny wrote:

I have never gone on a cruise, have one planned for June on the Columbia River by American Cruise Lines. Wonder if they are affiliated with Carnival?

Who cares? Enjoy yourself.

berchman Loc: South Central PA

traderjohn wrote:

What was the protection before?

Check out the changes that the EPA is making re clean air and clean water.

FrankSch Loc: Maryland Eastern Shore

We did the Columbia River cruise in 2017. Great cruise, scenic, the tours were good, and so was the food. I don't believe American Cruise lines has any connection with Carnival. Enjoy your cruise.

Buck1949 Loc: Phoenix

KR Pletzer wrote:

Apparently I’m very much in the minority here. I h... (show quote)

I totally agree with you KR !!

Bill Munny Loc: Aurora, Colorado

FrankSch wrote:

We did the Columbia River cruise in 2017. Great cruise, scenic, the tours were good, and so was the food. I don't believe American Cruise lines has any connection with Carnival. Enjoy your cruise.

Thanks for the input. I do not think that ACL would be so stupid as to dump any type of waste in the river. We are really looking forward to this vacation to get out of the horrible Denver area with all their crime and dealings with the new marijuana laws and influx of deviants who want to get rich over it. No TV and some rest time away from the city influences.

traderjohn Loc: New York City

berchman wrote:

Check out the changes that the EPA is making re clean air and clean water.

That's it.