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Apr 10, 2019 23:18:47   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
yhtomit wrote:
Well put.👍🏼🇺🇸😎


Ditto that! I would have used another word than "blood".

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Apr 11, 2019 00:37:28   #
btbg
 
Texcaster wrote:
Face it Barr prejudged Mueller's work long before he became AG.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/10/opinions/barr-doing-what-he-came-to-do-protect-trump-honig/index.html

Barr's prejudice is not a matter of opinion or debate. It is a matter of public record. In 2017, before he became attorney general, Barr told the New York Times there was a stronger basis to investigate the Clinton Foundation than "so-called 'collusion.'" Barr barely concealed a sarcastic eye-roll -- he even put quotation marks around "collusion." This is rhetoric you'd expect from Trump's personal counsel, Rudy Giuliani -- not from the future attorney general.

Then, in June 2018, Barr sent an unsolicited, 20-page memo to the Department of Justice arguing that Mueller's "obstruction theory is fatally misconceived." Barr added the absurd legal view: "There is no legal prohibition -- as opposed to a political constraint -- against the President's acting on a matter in which he has a personal stake." Translation: the President is free to tamper with a case that might hurt him because, well, he's the President.
Barr also previously told The Hill that Mueller's obstruction investigation was "asinine." Again, Barr said this before he became attorney general. There's no way around it. Barr pre-judged the case.




"If Barr was Nixon's AG, Nixon would not have had to resign." John Dean
Face it Barr prejudged Mueller's work long before ... (show quote)


So you think Barr is prejudiced because he actually understands what happened. The Clinton Foundation is crooked. Look up the post from a couple of days ago where they gave out 5.1 million in grants after taking in more than 100 million. The money went to salaries and expenses. A legitimate foundation uses at least 40 percent hopefully much more for charities and less than half for salaries.

Second, the Uranium deal and Clinton's e-mail are legitimate issues.

Third, Barr is correct that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and like Barr said today the only question is was the spying justified or not?

That doesn't make Barr prejudiced, it makes him aware of what is actually going on.

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Apr 11, 2019 00:50:48   #
Angmo
 
btbg wrote:
So you think Barr is prejudiced because he actually understands what happened. The Clinton Foundation is crooked. Look up the post from a couple of days ago where they gave out 5.1 million in grants after taking in more than 100 million. The money went to salaries and expenses. A legitimate foundation uses at least 40 percent hopefully much more for charities and less than half for salaries.

Second, the Uranium deal and Clinton's e-mail are legitimate issues.

Third, Barr is correct that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and like Barr said today the only question is was the spying justified or not?

That doesn't make Barr prejudiced, it makes him aware of what is actually going on.
So you think Barr is prejudiced because he actuall... (show quote)


You’d think he’d have some evidence. Truth and fact to backup his biased claims.

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Apr 11, 2019 05:57:37   #
wooden_ships
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Really quite the stretch, how about the Obama's AG having a private meeting with Bill Clinton while Hillary was under investigation. The fact is that there is no reason to believe that Barr is not acting with full integrity and that he is completely above board. You being easily lead down Conspiracy Avenue will not even consider that truth. And yes, if you study and look at the activities of the intelligence agencies and what was going on in the Obama administration during the last year his tenure that lead to the investigation of Trump there is plenty of reason for Barr's concern. Of course as a loyal follower you don't seem to be concerned about the weaponization of our intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies into the political campaign of a politician which you disapprove of.... Let me tell you friend, that is not how democracy works.
Really quite the stretch, how about the Obama's AG... (show quote)


You’ve chosen to miss the point. Appointing an AG who submits to presidential bias as Barr did yesterday eliminates the independence of that position. Doing this makes the Justice Dept. a means of presidential retaliation. And just like trump supporters justify their leadership’s claims by saying “Obama did worse”, subsequent presidents would point to trump using the same justification.

Barr’s behavior IS the actual weaponization of the Justice Dept. you rightly fear! The result is a lasting, unwelcome change in governance.

My example of Cavanaugh was as bizarre to you as Barr’s claim of spying is to me.

“Nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.”

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Apr 11, 2019 06:23:41   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
wooden_ships wrote:
You’ve chosen to miss the point. Appointing an AG who submits to presidential bias as Barr did yesterday eliminates the independence of that position. Doing this makes the Justice Dept. a means of presidential retaliation. And just like trump supporters justify their leadership’s claims by saying “Obama did worse”, subsequent presidents would point to trump using the same justification.

Barr’s behavior IS the actual weaponization of the Justice Dept. you rightly fear! The result is a lasting, unwelcome change in governance.

My example of Cavanaugh was as bizarre to you as Barr’s claim of spying is to me.

“Nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.”
You’ve chosen to miss the point. Appointing an AG... (show quote)


I see, so if Barr suspects that the investigation into Donald Trump which did employ the intelligence services as well as the FBI was launched without supporting evidence of a crime being committed he should just shrug his shoulders and look the other way? Is this what you are suggesting?

I really have to laugh at what you are saying, after two years of a completely political persecution of a sitting president the Attorney General suggests that we should know how and why this happened you are saying that he is being political and hurting the institution he serves... I have to ask, have you considered how foolish your position is and do you not understand that it is a betrayal to the American people and our system of governance?

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Apr 11, 2019 08:19:55   #
wooden_ships
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I see, so if Barr suspects that the investigation into Donald Trump which did employ the intelligence services as well as the FBI was launched without supporting evidence of a crime being committed he should just shrug his shoulders and look the other way? Is this what you are suggesting?

I really have to laugh at what you are saying, after two years of a completely political persecution of a sitting president the Attorney General suggests that we should know how and why this happened you are saying that he is being political and hurting the institution he serves... I have to ask, have you considered how foolish your position is and do you not understand that it is a betrayal to the American people and our system of governance?
I see, so if Barr suspects that the investigation ... (show quote)


No but you can continue to ignore what I AM saying. Yesterday was a foolish time to bring up “spygate”. Doing so simply confirmed he is being political instead of showing judicial independence. He should have answered the questions he was being asked and stay on point. Instead he pulls out what amounts to a threat in order to deflect. He could open a review for whatever he thinks warrants it but doing that yesterday was prima facie evidence of the “weaponization” of the Justice Dept. that we all should fear. Barr WANTED to deflect using an unsubtle threat.

Deflection is the tactic of choice for trump, his appointees, and his groupies. My point is what trump does now will become the standard for future administrations.

Don’t you understand what “nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong” means? We are seeing the undermining of democracy and our political parties are devolving into nothing more than a “monkey see - monkey do” leadership model. It truly sucks and the angry groupies who support trump are only hastening the country’s demise. The democrats share the blame for running Hiliary but look where we are now and where we are heading... downhill faster and faster.

I have to laugh at those with their heads in the sand and their butt in the air. The difference between you and me is we’re both getting boned; I see it, you don’t.

You can have the final word; this isn’t worth another minute of my time.

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Apr 11, 2019 08:36:43   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Angmo wrote:
You’d think he’d have some evidence. Truth and fact to backup his biased claims.


Remember, it is not a preponderance of evidence but the seriousness of the charge that matters with these Trump haters.

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Apr 11, 2019 08:39:38   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
idaholover wrote:
Remember, it is not a preponderance of evidence but the seriousness of the charge that matters with these Trump haters.


They happen to have both going against them.

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Apr 11, 2019 08:40:27   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
I love the smell of leftist fear in the morning.

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Apr 11, 2019 08:50:09   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
LWW wrote:
I love the smell of leftist fear in the morning.


I don't think it is their fear that you smell ...

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Apr 11, 2019 08:50:40   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
wooden_ships wrote:
No but you can continue to ignore what I AM saying. Yesterday was a foolish time to bring up “spygate”. Doing so simply confirmed he is being political instead of showing judicial independence. He should have answered the questions he was being asked and stay on point. Instead he pulls out what amounts to a threat in order to deflect. He could open a review for whatever he thinks warrants it but doing that yesterday was prima facie evidence of the “weaponization” of the Justice Dept. that we all should fear. Barr WANTED to deflect using an unsubtle threat.

Deflection is the tactic of choice for trump, his appointees, and his groupies. My point is what trump does now will become the standard for future administrations.

Don’t you understand what “nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong” means? We are seeing the undermining of democracy and our political parties are devolving into nothing more than a “monkey see - monkey do” leadership model. It truly sucks and the angry groupies who support trump are only hastening the country’s demise. The democrats share the blame for running Hiliary but look where we are now and where we are heading... downhill faster and faster.

I have to laugh at those with their heads in the sand and their butt in the air. The difference between you and me is we’re both getting boned; I see it, you don’t.

You can have the final word; this isn’t worth another minute of my time.
No but you can continue to ignore what I AM saying... (show quote)


You are so wrong my friend, and for you to close with this isn't worth another minute of your time is just a disingenuous way of saying that you can't fully defend your position.

It is not Trump's supporters who are hastening the country's demise, it is you and folks like you who are supporting a dishonest government and reaction to an election loss.

There is plenty of evidence that points to unlawful use of intelligence resources and the law enforcement organs of this country against the Trump campaign, you suggest that Barr is weaponizing the DOJ against into a political arm of Donald Trump yet you fail to recognize that there exists a strong possibility that has already happened under the Obama regime.

Your cries of unfairness and damage to our system come far to late my friend and are completely misdirected, you should have voiced similar concerns a couple of years ago and taken a harder look at exactly what was happening and how it was happening.

Barr is not only right to voice his concerns, it would be an abdication of his responsibilities to his office and to the American people to do otherwise. I do not recall your voicing your concerns as the Democrat party and the bureaucracies of this government tried for the last two years to remove this president from office, we will see with the Mueller report that there was no collusion, that is clear, so where is your outrage towards the media and the democrat party for tearing this country apart ripping a hole into the political process that will take years to heal if it can ever heal. Where is your outrage my friend, no, you save that for Barr for simply fulfilling the responsibilities of his office.

Lastly my friend, you suggest that Barr just blurted this out as if he was framing a narrative, you do know that C-Span is your friend, he was responding to a direct question from a Senator Shaneen, are you suggesting that he not answer her question or would you have found it preferrable that he had lied to her in his response?

Your statement as innocuous as you would like it to be perceived is laden with political bias.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4791491/attorney-general-thinks-spying-occurred-trump-campaign

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Apr 11, 2019 11:37:29   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Funny to see the Demonics squirm, and they did squirm.


You lose all credibility when you characterize your political opponents as demons. Apparently, you have no interest in discussing issues or ideas. It is the epitome of ad hominem.

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Apr 11, 2019 11:38:43   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
LWW wrote:
I love the smell of leftist fear in the morning.


What you are smelling is your own fumes.

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Apr 11, 2019 11:40:10   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Bazbo wrote:
You lose all credibility when you characterize your political opponents as demons. Apparently, you have no interest in discussing issues or ideas. It is the epitome of ad hominem.


I think demon is appropriate for someone who is intent on doing harm to your way of life.

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Apr 11, 2019 11:47:22   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
btbg wrote:
So you think Barr is prejudiced because he actually understands what happened. The Clinton Foundation is crooked. Look up the post from a couple of days ago where they gave out 5.1 million in grants after taking in more than 100 million. The money went to salaries and expenses. A legitimate foundation uses at least 40 percent hopefully much more for charities and less than half for salaries.

Second, the Uranium deal and Clinton's e-mail are legitimate issues.

Third, Barr is correct that the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign and like Barr said today the only question is was the spying justified or not?

That doesn't make Barr prejudiced, it makes him aware of what is actually going on.
So you think Barr is prejudiced because he actuall... (show quote)


Barr revealed his own prejudice when circulated that that unsolicited19 page memo attacking the Mueller investigation before he was appointed AG. He set himself up for the response he is getting.

I think he is probably following the Justice Department guidelines and the Special Counsel statute as best he can. But he will never be trusted because of that imprudent act.

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