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Apr 8, 2019 03:35:06   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
pendennis wrote:
The libs always want more gun control, but are always more than willing to trample on the rights of law-abiding gun owners to get their way.

We already have a background check system in place when purchasing a gun through a Federally-licensed dealer. The breakdown in the system is when law enforcement fails to keep the Instant Check System updated when people are convicted of violent crimes, or when a lawful court order is executed to prevent so-called "crazies" and those having court orders in place for domestic violence. As an example, Dylann Roof was not allowed to own firearms, but one of the court systems in South Carolina failed to update the Federal system with his correction. How is that the fault of legitimate gun owners? The killer in Florida was on the radar of local, county, state, and Federal law enforcement, but still carried out his spree while at least one deputy sheriff stood by and did nothing.

If you lie on the Form 4473 background check, it's a Federal offense, but few folks are prosecuted for breaking the law.

You want people who are mentally ill from buying firearms. That's all right, but you must go through the courts to get a valid court order. People accused of crimes or mental illnesses have due process rights, and they must be upheld.

Firearms of any type are private property, and the means to seize that property has to be adjudicated in a court of law, with the defendant having the opportunity for a fair hearing, with legal counsel.

We also have private property rights guaranteed. How a person disposes of private property is their business in most cases. If you want to try and usurp that right, take your case to the Supreme Court, and let them adjudicate it.

The uproar over firearms is, in part, a canard. The liberal left in this country doesn't care a whit about due process and individual rights.
The libs always want more gun control, but are alw... (show quote)


Well said,

Dennis

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Apr 8, 2019 10:45:02   #
pendennis
 
Harry0 wrote:
It was also to break the railroads' corps control of freight.


If you're referring to the Interstate Commerce Act, it was passed in 1887 to regulate the railroad industry, and monitor alleged monopolistic acts by the owners. Since railroads are an essentially closed loop system (Chessie didn't operate on rails maintained by the Penn System, etc.), it was necessary in the minds of the Feds to insure that "Big Rail" didn't overcharge on rates. The Central Pacific and Union Pacific railroads held near monopolies, and the Northern Pacific Railroad was built privately to compete with them. However, the ICA used its regulatory powers to force NPR to raise tariffs in order to protect Central and Union Pacific RR's.

Later, over-the-roads truck cartage was added, and the ICC maintained rate guides under its charter.

The power of the ICC was largely gelded when it was amended in 1978, and allowed trucking companies to operate pretty much anywhere, and charge whatever they pleased. At the time, a lot of the old line companies went belly up, since they had to cut rates to compete with upstart companies.

As others have mentioned, the Interstate Highway Act was designed to move the military easily; and the design was modeled largely on the Autobahn in Germany.

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Apr 8, 2019 10:46:01   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I doubt that is true. There were and still are trucks moving heavy freight long before Ike’s highway system. Horsedrawn wagons before trains.

Dennis


https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/freight.cfm

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Apr 8, 2019 21:23:16   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
All I really want is:

for the mentally ill to not have access to guns,
domestic abusers to be prevented from owning guns,
felons of violent crimes shouldn't own guns.

I realize that means many current gun owners will have to turn in their's. lol


Nice idea but in reality how do you intend to get the guns out of the hands of all who shouldn't have them like, felons, mentally ill folks, domestic abusers and still allow guns in the hands of good honest law abiding citizens? I'm sure you won't have a sensible answer to this question as I don't believe there is one.

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Apr 9, 2019 10:33:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Angmo wrote:
Mentally il are barred from purchasing firearms. felons too.

Did you look into the details of the VAW act and determine why it was not renewed?

Remember now, where do bad guys get most all their firearms? Remember? Black market. Underground purchases. ATF is more focused on bad guys than good guys.

You should be too. Have you asked around about getting into the black market then turn them in the the ATF? Take some action.

Stop whining. You sound like a leftie.
Mentally il are barred from purchasing firearms. ... (show quote)


Actually Diane Feinstein did make a comment, I forget its entirety but it goes along with her anti gun performance for the past forever years, Criminals will naturally turn their firearms in as they won't need them anymore. Not exact but close. This is the anti gun/no common sense thinking of the Left. Oh, did I mention that Diane Feinstein carries her own concealed firearm? Let's not ever forget the thought process of the elites, Good for me but not for thee.

Dennis

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Apr 9, 2019 10:38:19   #
Angmo
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Actually Diane Feinstein did make a comment, I forget its entirety but it goes along with her anti gun performance for the past forever years, Criminals will naturally turn their firearms in as they won't need them anymore. Not exact but close. This is the anti gun/no common sense thinking of the Left. Oh, did I mention that Diane Feinstein carries her own concealed firearm? Let's not ever forget the thought process of the elites, Good for me but not for thee.

Dennis


She’s mentally ill and should not be allowed to be armed.

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Apr 9, 2019 10:54:57   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
Not quite.
There is no searchable database for mentally ill people.
There are no background checks for family transfers, gun shows and private sales in most states.
I'm so tired of hearing that there's nothing we can do. We can do whatever we have the gumption and drive to do.
Don't be a coward. Let's take on the gun lobby.
Look what the NRA got the Republicans to do last week in not renewing the Violence Against Women Act. A deplorable display by the NRA owned Republicans.
Not quite. br There is no searchable database for... (show quote)


Frank I know this has been brought up numerous times before but apparently you simply refuse to acknowledge facts. The HIPAA act protects medical records of all of us including mental health patients.

Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12

“Individually identifiable health information” is information, including demographic data, that relates to:

the individual’s past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,
the provision of health care to the individual, or
the past, present, or future payment for the provision of health care to the individual,
and that identifies the individual or for which there is a reasonable basis to believe it can be used to identify the individual.13 Individually identifiable health information includes many common identifiers (e.g., name, address, birth date, Social Security Number).

Even the NRA has tried to get this information released but was not successful. This is the reason past shooters have not been reported to the DOJ/NCIC records. But those of you who think that simply passing a law will cause potential shooters to think twice about their actions, the Form 4473 does ask if the person purchasing the firearm has mental health problems. My gosh, one would think the person would answer truthfully on a Federal form, huh? But to our dismay, over 60,000 people lied on the form in one year, a felony under perjury. Who would have thought that would happen? To my knowledge not one of those people who committed perjury was even investigated. Darn the bad luck.

You see Frank we do have protections in place but they are only for honest citizens. Criminals don't obey the laws. I am going easy on you this time because I realize as a Liberal you didn't know that fact.

I hate to tell you this but there is no gun show loop hole as you want us to believe. I believe it is illegal to buy a firearm at a gun show without either doing the Form 4473 there or at a later date at the gun shop. Yes, it is possible for someone to go to a gun show and buy a firearm but both parties would be committing a crime in doing so. You tell us how you will stop that.

As for passing family owned firearms onto heirs or as gifts, I personally see no problem with that practice. The percentage of one of these guns being used in a crime is practically nil to begin with.

But let's say that Federal laws are passed and every state has a law stating that it is illegal to transfer every single firearm in America to someone else without a strict background check prior to the transfer. I am being sarcastic only because you deserve it. If my kids were alive I would leave them all of my firearms. They would say that I gave the firearms to them long before the law was passed which would be true. So now what Frank. Who is going to check these things especially when the incidence of crime with these weapons is so low to begin with?

As an aside Frank let's take a look at the Left's insistence on confiscating assault TYPE rifles. In reality rifles of all types, including the assault type rifles, are among the lowest percentage of any firearms used in crimes. So why the big push from the Left to ban them?

I will be right here as always waiting for your non response,

Dennis

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Apr 9, 2019 10:56:55   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
Actually, there are many ways to accomplish this goal. Unfortunately, the right-wing gunlovers on this site will only attack anyone with any sense, so let's just say, It's time to elect people who believe in reasonable gun controls and background checks.
There was a time when even the NRA believed in background checks.


Frank define reasonable gun controls.

Even the NRA believes in background checks. This is nothing but one more anti NRA comment when you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Dennis

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Apr 9, 2019 10:58:34   #
Angmo
 
And criminals don’t go to a store and purchase guns. They head for the black market. Unregulated and dangerous.

That should be made illegal. Only criminals use that market.

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Apr 9, 2019 11:06:47   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Angmo wrote:
And criminals don’t go to a store and purchase guns. They head for the black market. Unregulated and dangerous.

That should be made illegal. Only criminals use that market.


The silly libs should make the black market legal so they can tax the hell out of it 'eh.

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Apr 9, 2019 11:08:18   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
Maybe one day it will be your family. Will it be funny then?


Frank there are already deaths all over the world from using inanimate objects, automobiles, baseball bats, knives, hammers, hatchets, frying pans, you name it. Some are accidental and some are premeditated, even the frying pan where I am familiar with the circumstances. We already have a law against murder. Do you actually think the additional law saying if you commit murder with a firearm means anything at all to a person intent on killing another? Are you really that dense? Do you really think putting a sign on a school, bank, anywhere, stating, Gun Free Zone, has any power to stop someone from carrying a firearm onto the grounds to kill someone there?

That is what is so absolutely stupid about the laws you Liberal Democrats want to pass. For some reason you actually seem to think people give a shit about these laws. They don't Frank. They don't care one bit about your stupid laws.

Give us one law Frank, just one, that would have stopped any shooting ever in history or that will stop any shooting in the future. We have laws against murder. We have laws against taking firearms onto school property already. And yet we have shootings on school property. Even you must ask yourself sometimes, WTF is going on here. Laws don't work Frank and you other Liberal thinking fools. Pass all the laws you want. Only honest people care and obey the laws.

Dennis

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Apr 9, 2019 11:11:08   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Harry0 wrote:
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/freight.cfm


I did read through your lengthy post and found absolutely nothing pertaining to what you are trying to say or that went against what I said about horse drawn wagons. Perhaps you should stick to the main topic of the thread which is on gun control.

Dennis

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Apr 9, 2019 11:16:49   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Frank there are already deaths all over the world from using inanimate objects, automobiles, baseball bats, knives, hammers, hatchets, frying pans, you name it. Some are accidental and some are premeditated, even the frying pan where I am familiar with the circumstances. We already have a law against murder. Do you actually think the additional law saying if you commit murder with a firearm means anything at all to a person intent on killing another? Are you really that dense? Do you really think putting a sign on a school, bank, anywhere, stating, Gun Free Zone, has any power to stop someone from carrying a firearm onto the grounds to kill someone there?

That is what is so absolutely stupid about the laws you Liberal Democrats want to pass. For some reason you actually seem to think people give a shit about these laws. They don't Frank. They don't care one bit about your stupid laws.

Give us one law Frank, just one, that would have stopped any shooting ever in history or that will stop any shooting in the future. We have laws against murder. We have laws against taking firearms onto school property already. And yet we have shootings on school property. Even you must ask yourself sometimes, WTF is going on here. Laws don't work Frank and you other Liberal thinking fools. Pass all the laws you want. Only honest people care and obey the laws.

Dennis
Frank there are already deaths all over the world ... (show quote)


Truth is Dennis that not only can I state what would have stopped a shooting. I also, cannot state what shootings were stopped by existing laws.
I'm not a mystic, but I do hate defeatest attitudes that just throw their hands up and say, Oh my, there's nothing we can do.
As they say down south, If you believe that, well bless your heart.

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Apr 9, 2019 11:22:16   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Frank T wrote:
Truth is Dennis that not only can I state what would have stopped a shooting. I also, cannot state what shootings were stopped by existing laws.
I'm not a mystic, but I do hate defeatest attitudes that just throw their hands up and say, Oh my, there's nothing we can do.
As they say down south, If you believe that, well bless your heart.


The main thing you libs lack is self reliance. Every time you come against something you don't like, you turn to government to fix it for you.
That is not the role of government.

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Apr 9, 2019 12:11:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Angmo wrote:
She’s mentally ill and should not be allowed to be armed.


You are absolutely right. She is just one more Left Wing corrupt looney toon.

Dennis

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