No money should be spent on illegals (Page 2): The amount paid for a year of supporting all refugees does not equal 1% of the cost of the damage GOP policies do to the economy. It...

Keen

Huey Driver wrote:

And exactly who do you think is paying the tab while all this is going on. The American Tax Payer that's who.
Maybe we should set up a GO Fund ME account so that all you do gooders that want to keep open borders could pay the expenses now incurred by me and other taxpayers who are tired of this.

The amount paid for a year of supporting all refugees does not equal 1% of the cost of the damage GOP policies do to the economy. It, plus health care for all, could both be covered by just having one, or two, fewer oil wars every decade. Just ONE of Dumbya Bush's mid east wars cost us $7 TRILLION.

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

DaveO wrote:

How do you go off on a tangent and start spouting that do gooders want to keep open the borders....?

Kind of reaching to support a half baked post. You do little more than show your lack of knowledge, but that is normally your strong suit with many of your topics. Always with the politically biased bs that you can't support in any way other than the good old bad mouth!

I notice you didn't answer my question about who do you think is paying those expenses? Don't like to answer questions like that do you. Defeats your previous post if you do honestly.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Take care of home first then help everyone else

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Oh, but yes it is. That’s why its called the Attic.

jdedmonds wrote:

This forum isn't for politics.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Yes, the VA has help programs, but the vet needs to be living near a VA service center, which seem to be connected to VA hospitals. I would guess the VA web site would list the places, but note the vet would need to be in a place that has Internet and have a device. Some cities and counties have local help centers, but not all vets can get to them. Lets all watch out for our service brothers and sisters and lend a hand.

rmorrison1116 wrote:

The VA has programs to help vets but they, the vets, have to want to be helped. No one who has served their country should have to live on the streets, but it's a choice and if they choose not to be helped, it's on them.
You can lead a water to horse but you drink can't it make.

The Watcher

THE COST!

https://www.irli.org/single-post/2017/09/27/New-FAIR-Study-Illegal-Immigration-Costs-116-billion-Annually?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpPOx8KO54QIVTP_jBx3u0A-IEAAYASAAEgKkuvD_BwE

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

sbohne wrote:

What money do you think we're spending? Are you on... (show quote)

They show up at the border and they get...free food, medical care, housing, welfare, transportation to a city
where they receive housing, medical care, schools for their children...
You as a matter of fact do not know what your talking about.

btbg

sbohne wrote:

What money do you think we're spending? Are you on... (show quote)

You are absolutely incorrect. Millions of dollars are spent annually on illegals. Example undocumented children get free education in our public school system. Are you trying to say that doesn't cost taxpayers money. Second example, although an illegal can not get food stamps or welfare for themselves they can get it for their children. Do you honestly thing that a person receiving foot stamps says OK, this money is all for my children's food, so I won't eat any of it. Of course not. They are receiving food stamps and they are eating off of the assistance they receive.

Once again, that is tax payer money. There are many other areas where they are costing tax payers as well.

As far as taxes. How do you think that an illegal is paying taxes? In order for an illegal to be paid it either has to be under the table, in which case there are no taxes taken out, or it has to be with a false identity, in which case there is identity theft, since the social security number they are using has to belong to someone. That means that either 1) they aren't paying taxes other than sales tax, or 2) the tax liability actually belongs to whoever's identity they have stolen. Either way that is a problem.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Keen wrote:

The real dumb asses are those who do not know the differences between illegal aliens, and asylum seeking refugees. US law requires that refugees be let in.

I bold-faced your clueless statement, which is absolutely incorrect. You don't understand the law, procedure, or how asylum works.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Keen wrote:

...US law REQUIRES that those claiming to be refugees be allowed into the country, and given a hearing before an Immigration Judge, before being allowed to stay, or being deported...

Your statement is full of falsehoods. Do you make this up, or are you merely ignorant?

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

soba1 wrote:

Take care of home first then help everyone else

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.

Huey Driver wrote:

Regular dumb ass you are. Who do you think pays for border security? Who pays for their keep until they go to court? Who pays their court expenses? Who pays to deport them? If we didn't have illegal crossings we wouldn't have these expenses.

scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.

Keen wrote:

If by "do gooders" you mean "law abiders", yeah. I am one, and proud to be so. It does not matter if the borders are open, or closed. When refugees arrive, they get in. If you don't like it, elect some folks who are willing to work for real solutions, rather than clowns who pretend to be working while just keeping the problem alive to be used to draw morons to the polls in future elections. Walls will not work, and never have. People who want in will: dig under, climb over, and break through walls. Study history. Walls did NOT save: Uruk, Constantinople, Rome, Jericho, Jerusalem, etc. Walls, with alarms, did not save Sharon Tate. China has a wall bigger, thicker, better manned, and better armed, than any Trump could ever hope to build....and it did not work. China was invaded 15 times AFTER building The Great Wall.

If you want to stop illegals, the way to do it is to stop what attracts them. Kill the jobs they get once here. Severely punish all who hire illegals. Take away their rights to: vote, support political campaigns, hold office, get government contracts, or serve in the military. Take away their: bank accounts, homes, vehicles, stocks, bonds, metals, businesses, etc. Fine them $10 million for every illegal they employ. Put them in prison for 10 years for every illegal they employ....no early outs for any reason, all sentences to be served consecutively. Make them work at hard labor while in prison. Strictly enforce this all. Soon, no one will hire illegals, so illegals will not come here.

Of course this will never happen, because the same GOP politicians who would have to vote to pass such a law are the main employers of illegals. Trump, himself, has hired illegals almost exclusively for decades. Bob Dole hired illegals. Ted Cruz hires illegals. GOP members of Congress will never vote to cut off their supply of cheap labor, and so force themselves to pay regular wages to hire nannies, gardeners, farm workers, etc. The people you support-GOP Jerks-TALK against illegals, but fail to ACT against them. For the first two years of Trump's administration, the GOP controlled ALL of the government....The House, The Senate, The Presidency, and The Supreme Court. They COULD have passed an illegal alien employer crushing bill, and so ended the problem of illegals....BUT DID NOT EVEN TRY TO. Had they done so, the problem would have been cured, and they could not have used the illegal alien scare to get votes, and donations, from idiots such as yourself. They will never solve the problem, because they do not want to.

Spend $80 million, or more, to build a wall. Illegals will get through it, and continue to be here, and the GOP will continue to con suckers like you out of money, and votes. Walls never have worked, and never will work. Illegals tunneled under part of the wall that does exist in AZ, and tunneled right into the HQ of the Border Patrol, and surrendered and claimed Refugee status. That happened in broad daylight, on one of the most protected parts of the border, with a wall. The wall did not work there. HOW The F will a wall in the middle
of nowhere, patrolled most of the time by no one, going to work any better? It won't. Trump's wall is like Nixon's secret plan to get us out of Viet Nam with honor, and victory. His lies about such got him elected.
Then he expanded the Viet Nam conflict to: Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand. When he finally pulled us out, it was in a shameful loss.

If you can't resist the urge to politicize a non political site, like this, at least get your facts straight, and make some sensible proposals.

If by "do gooders" you mean "law ab... (show quote)

And here folks is yet another "armchair genius" . Yes walls do work and you must separate assylum seekers from posers. No offense but I will take the experts assessment over yours.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Huey Driver wrote:

I notice you didn't answer my question about who do you think is paying those expenses? Don't like to answer questions like that do you. Defeats your previous post if you do honestly.

Because you don't like my answer does not mean you were not provided one. You insist on your cute little political stand and condemn any who disagree as being against you...typical of your childish little rants.

jdedmonds

Huey Driver wrote:

Regular dumb ass you are. Who do you think pays for border security? Who pays for their keep until they go to court? Who pays their court expenses? Who pays to deport them? If we didn't have illegal crossings we wouldn't have these expenses.

This post is symptomatic of the current ethos in America. Have you ever changed somebody's mind by calling them a name?