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Apr 3, 2019 16:54:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:

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And there were real barbarians in those days.

Not like today.............

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Apr 3, 2019 17:00:40   #
dancers Loc: melbourne.victoria, australia
 
is the Vatican wall to keep people out , or to keep the pope in???

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Apr 3, 2019 17:49:22   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I say all leaders are hypocrites, regardless of politics and/or religion. We are deep into the age of letting self-interest people and groups think for us. It is foolish to depend on the rants of any government or religious leader or to count on protection from those that are deemed "outsiders". The basics of self preservation will remain a constant throughout the world.
I happen to think the wall is a silly attempt and a farce. The border can easily be regulated using a combination of technology and the use of non-lethal and lethal force.

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Apr 3, 2019 18:00:43   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Rich2236 wrote:
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, (Francis,) states "He who raises a wall, ends up a prisoner of the wall he erected." He further talks about other countries like Spain putting up walls/fences to deter migrants as "shameful."

Well, I have to say, when we were in Italy, we visited the Vatican. THE WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE VATICAN CITY WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE, being about 40 or 50 feet high, and I imagine about 10 to 20 feet thick! And there are guards, both civil authorities and Vatican police at EVERY entrance to keep out UN_WANTED people!!! He, (Pope Francis) goes further, stating, "The blame for poverty and war lays at the feet of capitalism." I do not feel that the Pope has any right to make those statements. When he tears down the walls around the Vatican and allows everyone to enter and camp out there, then he can say anything he wants about walls.

I apologize as this will probably evoke a tirade of reply's. But I have to repeat, I am not trying to be disrespectful at all. If there were no walls around the Vatican, then there would be nothing to say.
Rich...
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, ... (show quote)
You have all the right to be disrespectful, none of the popes ever deserved any respect at all (bastards)!

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Apr 3, 2019 18:33:05   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
Rich2236 wrote:
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, (Francis,) states "He who raises a wall, ends up a prisoner of the wall he erected." He further talks about other countries like Spain putting up walls/fences to deter migrants as "shameful."

Well, I have to say, when we were in Italy, we visited the Vatican. THE WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE VATICAN CITY WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE, being about 40 or 50 feet high, and I imagine about 10 to 20 feet thick! And there are guards, both civil authorities and Vatican police at EVERY entrance to keep out UN_WANTED people!!! He, (Pope Francis) goes further, stating, "The blame for poverty and war lays at the feet of capitalism." I do not feel that the Pope has any right to make those statements. When he tears down the walls around the Vatican and allows everyone to enter and camp out there, then he can say anything he wants about walls.

I apologize as this will probably evoke a tirade of reply's. But I have to repeat, I am not trying to be disrespectful at all. If there were no walls around the Vatican, then there would be nothing to say.
Rich...
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, ... (show quote)


I'm Catholic and agree with you - there are allot of us that do. Capitalism is not the cause of poverty socialism and it's welfare ways is.

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Apr 4, 2019 01:08:50   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
I'm pretty sure Pope Francis didn't build the wall. It was there when he moved in.

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Apr 4, 2019 07:08:11   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Rich2236 wrote:
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, (Francis,) states "He who raises a wall, ends up a prisoner of the wall he erected." He further talks about other countries like Spain putting up walls/fences to deter migrants as "shameful."

Well, I have to say, when we were in Italy, we visited the Vatican. THE WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE VATICAN CITY WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE, being about 40 or 50 feet high, and I imagine about 10 to 20 feet thick! And there are guards, both civil authorities and Vatican police at EVERY entrance to keep out UN_WANTED people!!! He, (Pope Francis) goes further, stating, "The blame for poverty and war lays at the feet of capitalism." I do not feel that the Pope has any right to make those statements. When he tears down the walls around the Vatican and allows everyone to enter and camp out there, then he can say anything he wants about walls.

I apologize as this will probably evoke a tirade of reply's. But I have to repeat, I am not trying to be disrespectful at all. If there were no walls around the Vatican, then there would be nothing to say.
Rich...
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, ... (show quote)



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Apr 4, 2019 08:45:17   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
I guess the staunch Catholics, have enough sense to shut their mouths about it, to escape criticism.
Thinking ppl would be embarrassed by the blatant hypocracy.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:10:17   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
Rich2236 wrote:
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, (Francis,) states "He who raises a wall, ends up a prisoner of the wall he erected." He further talks about other countries like Spain putting up walls/fences to deter migrants as "shameful."

Well, I have to say, when we were in Italy, we visited the Vatican. THE WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE VATICAN CITY WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE, being about 40 or 50 feet high, and I imagine about 10 to 20 feet thick! And there are guards, both civil authorities and Vatican police at EVERY entrance to keep out UN_WANTED people!!! He, (Pope Francis) goes further, stating, "The blame for poverty and war lays at the feet of capitalism." I do not feel that the Pope has any right to make those statements. When he tears down the walls around the Vatican and allows everyone to enter and camp out there, then he can say anything he wants about walls.


I apologize as this will probably evoke a tirade of reply's. But I have to repeat, I am not trying to be disrespectful at all. If there were no walls around the Vatican, then there would be nothing to say.
Rich...
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, ... (show quote)


Hi Rich... Walls are neither good or bad. The Vatican is no different then anywhere else. They are only methods of controlling your property. They come in many forms. Walls to hold the roof up on your house. Walls to protect you while you sleep. We even put in walls inside our own homes for privacy and security. I have my own wall which is about 3500 feet long and holds cattle in and unwanted animals out. Its other wise called a barbed wire fence. I would like to install an underground electric shocker fence to keep my dog in a safe space and protect her from her own wonderings. I'm totally in support of a wall controlling the Mexican boarder, but strongly opposed of one for our neighbor Canada. Probably because I trust and like Canada and its people. I know they would be there if we need them and I trust we would do the same. Canada has been as active in controlling their criminal elements, I can't say the same for Mexico. We are not being flooded with illegal immigrants for Canada, again that's not the case for Mexico. When things change, maybe we could take the fence down.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:29:58   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Rich2236 wrote:
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, (Francis,) states "He who raises a wall, ends up a prisoner of the wall he erected." He further talks about other countries like Spain putting up walls/fences to deter migrants as "shameful."

Well, I have to say, when we were in Italy, we visited the Vatican. THE WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE VATICAN CITY WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE, being about 40 or 50 feet high, and I imagine about 10 to 20 feet thick! And there are guards, both civil authorities and Vatican police at EVERY entrance to keep out UN_WANTED people!!! He, (Pope Francis) goes further, stating, "The blame for poverty and war lays at the feet of capitalism." I do not feel that the Pope has any right to make those statements. When he tears down the walls around the Vatican and allows everyone to enter and camp out there, then he can say anything he wants about walls.

I apologize as this will probably evoke a tirade of reply's. But I have to repeat, I am not trying to be disrespectful at all. If there were no walls around the Vatican, then there would be nothing to say.
Rich...
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, ... (show quote)


I agree with you. Walls keep people out and the fact is they serve a purpose. Same way a lock on your front door serves a purpose, or locking your car. Walls work.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:32:06   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I have to ask: When was the wall around the vatican built?
I suspect it is pretty old. Back in the day (well before my time) the walls really were necessary to try to keep out the murderers/rapists (aka knights in the service of rival monarchs). And there were real barbarians in those days.


If it was felt the wall was no longer needed, they would tear it down. No talk of that, because walls keep people out and keep the people on the inside safe.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:38:27   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Rich2236 wrote:
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, (Francis,) states "He who raises a wall, ends up a prisoner of the wall he erected." He further talks about other countries like Spain putting up walls/fences to deter migrants as "shameful."

Well, I have to say, when we were in Italy, we visited the Vatican. THE WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE VATICAN CITY WAS MOST IMPRESSIVE, being about 40 or 50 feet high, and I imagine about 10 to 20 feet thick! And there are guards, both civil authorities and Vatican police at EVERY entrance to keep out UN_WANTED people!!! He, (Pope Francis) goes further, stating, "The blame for poverty and war lays at the feet of capitalism." I do not feel that the Pope has any right to make those statements. When he tears down the walls around the Vatican and allows everyone to enter and camp out there, then he can say anything he wants about walls.

I apologize as this will probably evoke a tirade of reply's. But I have to repeat, I am not trying to be disrespectful at all. If there were no walls around the Vatican, then there would be nothing to say.
Rich...
I say this with all due respect to the Pope. He, ... (show quote)


The pope is wrong.

You nailed it.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:38:52   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
The vatican wall is not just keeping the people safe. Inside the wall is a priceless collection of artifacts and documents. They are important historically as well as important to a particular religion.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:50:59   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The vatican wall is not just keeping the people safe. Inside the wall is a priceless collection of artifacts and documents. They are important historically as well as important to a particular religion.


I feel the same way about the area inside our National borders...

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Apr 4, 2019 10:02:21   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The vatican wall is not just keeping the people safe. Inside the wall is a priceless collection of artifacts and documents. They are important historically as well as important to a particular religion.


No matter. The fact is the Pope is a hypocrite in running his mouth and condemning others who want a wall when he and his anointed flock hide behind a wall with guarded entrances. Maybe the wall is actually to safeguard the priests who sexually molest kids. Give us a break Pope!

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