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Apr 3, 2019 17:37:55   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
papakatz45 wrote:
So stop reading.


When I get tired of reading something. I stop. You ought to try it.

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Apr 3, 2019 20:10:24   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Rondavis9 wrote:
What are advantages and disadvantages of mirrorless cameras compared to SLR cameras?


You don't have to 'chimp' to review your shot with a mirrorless - you can see it in the viewfinder. The image in the viewfinder is live view and WYSIWYG.

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Apr 3, 2019 21:51:58   #
jburlinson Loc: Austin, TX
 
BebuLamar wrote:
New to this site yes. But new to DSLR vs MiLC I doubt that and that is why I asked.


Why do you doubt that? Do you know something about the OP that the rest of us don't? Why would the OP ask if (s)he already knew?

Not everyone in the world knows about the fascinating topic of DSLR vs MILC. In fact, my guess is that the average person on the street wouldn't know what DSLR or MILC meant, and wouldn't care even if you tried to explain it to them.

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Apr 3, 2019 23:28:40   #
markjay
 
camerapapi wrote:
Talking about generalities, mirrorless cameras are smaller and lighter. The small cameras are much better for traveling light. Technologies in a mirrorless camera are superior to what you could find in a dSLR.
AF is superior with a dSLR camera when it comes to action or wildlife photography. Modern mirrorless cameras continue to improve their AF system and sooner than later their AF will be as good as that on a dSLR camera.
There are other advantages to using a mirrorless camera but I pointed out for you what I consider important in both cameras.
Talking about generalities, mirrorless cameras are... (show quote)



Why would AF not be as good in a camera without a mirror ? I would think the systems are the same.

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Apr 3, 2019 23:30:20   #
markjay
 
olemikey wrote:
Rant time: "SMRCS" (subject matter repeat complainers syndrom) - The sad part of discussions like these is that (I didn't count) half the posts are complaining about the subject matter rather than answering with helpful information, and we are only two pages in as I type. I'm not the forum police, but I do find the "SMRCS" (subject matter repeat complainers syndrom) much more annoying than folks who ask questions that have been asked before. For those who no longer want to hear about the Pros/Cons of two major camera operating systems, why participate? For those who do want to offer up the Pros/Cons of any particular subject, please participate. If you are not interested ignore the post, don't complain and muck up the waters, or worse make the OP feel like a fool for asking.

As for the search engine pulling up solid answers for questions like these - it doesn't work that well, the emphasis is on the title and this often misses a great many posts (unless I haven't used it correctly).

Now, if you want to bitch about something, or bitch at me, open another thread and complain about olemikey!!! I can handle it, I love a good debate, I love a good argument, and I try to make sure I'm at least somewhat informed prior to posting. Don't be offended however, if I ignore the post (LOL) !!

Now, on to the question - It would seem by now that for those who want to know the answer to the OP's question, that someone somewhere must have put together a summation of the arguments for and against each operating system, and that is a story that would be worth the read. AS FOR ME, I would like to have one of each, until such time that something better than both comes along; 5 -7 years down the road, perhaps?
Rant time: "SMRCS" (subject matter repea... (show quote)


Your contribution was the longest rant in this post and the biggest waste of time just complaining - when you complain about people complaining.

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Apr 3, 2019 23:31:54   #
markjay
 
Gene51 wrote:
Any camera that is dropped is usually broken. Not sure that having a mirror is a problem because it might break.



Thanks for the serious reply to a sarcastic comment !

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Apr 3, 2019 23:48:33   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Rondavis9 wrote:
What are advantages and disadvantages of mirrorless cameras compared to SLR cameras?


This topic has been beaten to death here - if you had a penny for every post you could buy several D850s, Z7s, and throw in a Phase I too with $$$ prime lens.

Search here or Google...but I will say this - took a look at the new Z6 recently - first EVF I looked through that appears "natural" to me and not as though I am looking at a tiny monitor screen. Have not looked at Canon's counterpart but I suspect it may be the same....still not compelling enough for me to jump ship - they all have to up their game a bit for me to jump in the mirrorless pool - that includes Sony, Nikon, Canon, Fuji, and not interested in Oly unless they go APSC or FF at least.

Except for Sony's top line A9 (which has other issues I don't care for), AF performance still not quite there yet with top DSLRs. Biggest benefit of ML - quietness.

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Apr 4, 2019 00:05:44   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
markjay wrote:
Why would AF not be as good in a camera without a mirror ? I would think the systems are the same.


It's kind of counter-intuitive, but on a ML camera the AF sensors must be integrated with the image sensor which presents certain design challenges (chip area limitations). On a DSLR the AF sensor (at the bottom of the mirror box) is totally separate from the image sensor and the AF sensor photosites can be larger and more sensitive with dedicated subprocessors ...but frankly I am surprised with the piggy back mirror flapping around how (1) performance can keep up at up to 10-12 fps and (2) how the delicate mirrors don't unhinge with all that pounding at those frame rates.

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Apr 4, 2019 01:01:05   #
markjay
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
It's kind of counter-intuitive, but on a ML camera the AF sensors must be integrated with the image sensor which presents certain design challenges (chip area limitations). On a DSLR the AF sensor (at the bottom of the mirror box) is totally separate from the image sensor and the AF sensor photosites can be larger and more sensitive with dedicated subprocessors ...but frankly I am surprised with the piggy back mirror flapping around how (1) performance can keep up at up to 10-12 fps and (2) how the delicate mirrors don't unhinge with all that pounding at those frame rates.
It's kind of counter-intuitive, but on a ML camera... (show quote)


Not clear to me why they can be separate from the sensor on a DSLR - but not on a mirrorless
??

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Apr 4, 2019 01:19:23   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
papakatz45 wrote:
I never said I was tired of reading, you did. I enjoy reading idiots like you.


You are right. You did not say you were tired of reading. I messed up on my posting. I intended my response to go the same place as yours went and not to you. I guess Stradva or whoever it was dodged my comment.

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Apr 4, 2019 01:46:33   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
markjay wrote:
Not clear to me why they can be separate from the sensor on a DSLR - but not on a mirrorless
??


A picture is worth 1000 words...the main mirror is semi-reflective so some of the image light is redirected down to the AF sensor.



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Apr 4, 2019 02:05:39   #
markjay
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
A picture is worth 1000 words...the main mirror is semi-reflective so some of the image light is redirected down to the AF sensor.


Got it. Thanks !
Maybe a good idea to put in a small fixed mirror that will enable the sensor to be below and solve the problem. Would not take additional space as a mirror in a dslr.

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Apr 4, 2019 05:03:41   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Rondavis9 wrote:
What are advantages and disadvantages of mirrorless cameras compared to SLR cameras?


It's a matter of personal choice.

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Apr 4, 2019 08:22:29   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yep. Lots of fertilizer here in the archives... I’ve written many pages on it.


I was going to stop on this thread, but, since you mentioned it Bill, you have written many pages over many years about the advantages of mirrorless. And you did it against a lot of resistance. It has taken years for many on UHH to start to see the possibilities (including me.)

Now some of the same people who blew off your support of mirrorless time and time again are now the ones saying "Oh, we all know this, why keep talking about it? Why would anyone post a such a question?" Asking about DSLR vs mirrorless is no less valid than asking, yet again, about an OM lens vs a third party lens. Yet that question is asked frequently (several time a week at least) and answered enthusiastically.

Personally, I like the direction mirrorless is taking photography and it is a developing technology and topic that any one interested in photography ought to be following. Asking the question provides us all an opportunity to discuss it as it changes.

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Apr 4, 2019 08:28:55   #
markjay
 
Flip a coin !

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