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Mar 31, 2019 11:56:34   #
Kozan Loc: Trenton Tennessee
 
srt101fan wrote:
Many folks here say or imply that getting the "correct" exposure is a must if you want to get good images. Many will add that you have to shoot in "manual" to get control of the camera and get that "correct" exposure. I'm wondering what message this sends to newcomers.

Yes, you should try to get the exposure as close to "perfect" in the camera.

Yes, there are difficult lighting situations that can cause the camera's light meter to give you readings that may be wrong for what you want. But, let's face it, changing exposure is just a matter of letting in more or less light and/or changing the ISO. The light meters in modern cameras are pretty darn good. And if the lighting is squirrelly, you can make the proper up or down adjustments using exposure compensation if you're in one of the auto modes. And you have a fair amount of control in post-processing, particularly if you're shooting RAW.

I don't mean to resuscitate the Manual vs. semi-auto modes debate. I'm just wondering if there is too much of a mystique being attached to getting the "proper" exposure. So how important is it to "nail" the exposure settings? Aren't there more important, or at least equally important considerations such as focus, depth of field, etc.?
Many folks here say or imply that getting the &quo... (show quote)


If you take a look at the last 4 or 5 issues of Professional Photographer Magazine, you will find almost all of the exposures are "under exposed". That is, if you looked at the histogram for these cover shots, you would have almost no whites on the right side. Perhaps the photographer exposed to the right (ETTR) to get the whites almost up against the right side of the histogram and then decreased exposure in post production. That, to me, may be the most sensible way to expose to make sure you have all the detail in the darker tones that you want. Does that make sense?

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Mar 31, 2019 11:58:12   #
scsdesphotography Loc: Southeastern Michigan
 
Shellback wrote:
Amateurs worry about equipment, Professionals worry about time, Masters worry light...



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Mar 31, 2019 12:00:11   #
throughrhettseyes Loc: Rowlett, TX
 
IT DEPENDS...
It depends on what camera you use.
It depends on the available light is present including flash units.

My D500 is very light sensetive. This means in sunlight if I don't reduce my sensitivity by a 1/3 of a stop then I risk blowing out my highlights. If I were to use the standard setting even in manual mode I risk the chance of blown highlights. You can always bring up exposure in Lightroom but you can't fix blown highlights.

I also preach that you learn to use a flash. It will improve your photography and get you the dynamic range you need make post processing much easier. So in essence getting your exposure right or "correct" as you stated is important. Knowing you equipment's capabilities and limitations will make you get the "correct exposure".

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Mar 31, 2019 12:13:13   #
photonutt1970
 
Well I believe why people use Manual is because they will (Or think they will) Get the correct exposure every time

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Mar 31, 2019 12:20:11   #
srt101fan
 
camerapapi wrote:
You can have a perfect DOF, perfect focus, perfect composition, perfect subject but if your exposure is off you have nothing. No such a thing as a perfect exposure in post processing, once we loose highlight details there is no post processing that will bring those details back.


I have trouble agreeing with this... What if the highlights aren't that important? Would you agree that the importance of nailing the exposure might vary depending on the kind of shooting and subject?

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Mar 31, 2019 12:23:34   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
pesfls wrote:
I think they’re all important. The less manipulations in pp the better. Over manipulation screams when you see it in an image.



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Mar 31, 2019 12:24:01   #
srt101fan
 
billnikon wrote:
I try to get the exposure right FOR MY EYES, not the camera's. I commonly use Aperture priority and exposure compensation to get the exposure right IN MY EYES.
For me the correct exposure may be what other's consider overexposed or underexposed. But, IN MY EYES, it is the correct exposure. The following are some examples of what, in my eyes, are correct exposures.
And yes, I can do work in post, put it is usually for other things besides exposure. And I use JEPG. and I find it works really well for me even in post.
I try to get the exposure right FOR MY EYES, not t... (show quote)


Very nice! I think you got the "right", "proper", "correct", "appropriate", etc exposure!

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Mar 31, 2019 12:24:06   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
cassie246 wrote:
New to photography. What do you mean by RAW. Camara came with no directions. I am trying to figure ot out.


Hello cassie246. I'll go out on a limb here, since I know absolutely nothing about you, other than you found one of the best photo forums on the planet. RAW is the digital data captured by the camera, based on all the settings as applied to the picture, it is usually a large file of data. The JPEG is a somewhat automated version, with internal processing (think internal digital darkroom) applied. RAW is generally manipulated/processed external to the camera. There are folks here who can give you much better and more detailed explanations. It is a setting you select in the menu of your camera, provided it has RAW capability, not all do.

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Mar 31, 2019 12:35:30   #
srt101fan
 
rodpark2 wrote:
There is no such thing as "correct exposure." It's almost always a compromise between having highlight and shadow detail that both look acceptable. editing your images, and shooting in RAW gives a lot more latitude to being a little off on exposure. The latest full frame cameras are incredible in dynamic range so getting close on exposure is usually sufficient. An image that portrays a somber/dark mood my be better a little darker, whereas a lighter image helps evoke a happy and lighter feeling. It's an artistic subjective choice. If you shoot in manual mode you change shutter speed or aperture to change exposure, in automatic modes you use exposure compensation. The effect is the same, exactly the same. There are people who insist on shooting in M mode, but most do it for reasons they probably don't even understand themselves. Night shots are about the only time I ever use M, especially moon images. Light meters work the same in manual or auto modes. You just correct the image slightly differently. To argue the point I arranged some students in different lighting conditions and asked the M mode users to take a shot of each one as quickly as possible, while I did the same in Aperture priority. I shot all six in the time the students were still lining up shutter speed and aperture manually. You don't get different or better exposure, you just get it differently. I shoot most of my images in Aperture Priority. Another time I use manual is at sunset. As you recompose and the meter reads the sun and shadows in different parts of the frame, the exposure reading changes. I get a good exposure first, go to manual and use those settings, and then changes in composition won't affect the image if I don't read the meter and readjust each time. The moon is similar. Get a good exposure and lock it in using M settings. Unless there are clouds the same setting should work on all images. As the moon changes slightly in framing the meter will give different suggestions, ignore it. Most of my students who insist on shooting in manual do so because of the false belief that it's more professional and makes them look like pros. Also, if you're not editing your images you are sorely missing out on the control you could have.
There is no such thing as "correct exposure.&... (show quote)


Interesting comments!

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Mar 31, 2019 12:37:42   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
cassie246 wrote:
New to photography. What do you mean by RAW. Camara came with no directions. I am trying to figure ot out.


Further to what OleMikey said, raw is the camera's proprietary format for storing the data that is derived straight from the sensor. The name suggests that it doesn't get any processing, but in reality it gets small amounts in the form of denoise, edge-based sharpening and possibly a few other minor tweaks. Because of that, raw files all need basic processing beyond whatever creative processing you may wish to give it. This is in contrast to jpegs which get significant amounts of in-camera processing and are often acceptable straight out of camera (SOOC). The main advantage of raw is that the files contain more data and they can take more pushing and pulling in PP than jpeg files.

If you want to try raw, find the "Quality" entry in your setup menus. The options should read something like Jpeg, Jpeg Fine, Raw, Raw + Jpeg or something similar.

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Mar 31, 2019 12:42:02   #
marty6762 Loc: Detroit MI
 
I think newcomers should get to know their cameras first; then worry about aperture, shutter speed, and exposure later, I started on full Auto, then progressed to Program, then to Aperture, and then to manual mode, it's real easy to overthink something simple then miss the shot you happen to see. I do think sharpness and depth of field, are very most important in the type of photography that I do, then comes exposure. I shoot raw format, and can correct most issues except blurred pics.

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Mar 31, 2019 12:54:17   #
khorinek
 
In my work, it's what the viewer desires. Doesn't matter what I like/want the viewer is the customer.

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Mar 31, 2019 12:58:50   #
srt101fan
 
cassie246 wrote:
New to photography. What do you mean by RAW. Camara came with no directions. I am trying to figure ot out.


I've been thinking about how to reply to you, cassie; now I see olemikey already answered you.

There is lots of stuff on YouTube and in UHH posts - maybe too much! Can somebody remember and point to any UHH posts that might serve as a tutorial for cassie? Any recommendations for any good websites that address RAW?

I will say though, cassie, that if your camera manual doesn't address RAW, chances are that your camera does not have the capability to save RAW files, and only saves JPEG image files.

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Mar 31, 2019 13:00:53   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
srt101fan wrote:

So it all depends on the kind of photography you do, right?


Exposure used to be very important. When you screwed up exposing your Kodachromes and showed them on the screen you were really seeing SOOC. They got machine processed and that was it.

Your last sentence answers all question!

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Mar 31, 2019 13:05:02   #
boydcrochet
 
"based on all the settings" this can be confusing as many setting are for the JPG conversion, JPG engine.

RAW is the totality of the sensor's capture. We are always looking at an interpretation of that RAW file and so some settings are applied either by user choice or automatically. No monitor or printer has the ability to display RAW, displayed is always an intepretation. Nondestructive edits are instructions to mapping the RAW image to a JPG.

A map might be a good analogy of the difference between editing a RAW image or editing a JPG. Thinking of the RAW image as a three dimensional map with all the side streets, alleys, dirt paths and the JPG a less confusing amount of detail, just the streets in two dimensions. If you want to bring out the intersections of the streets in the JPG, from the JPG you don't have that data anymore.

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