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Dec 15, 2012 15:10:48   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
I am not happy when exporting RAW's to JPG's. Though I am using Lightroom 4.3, I suspect that this is a general problem and not one specific to LR. The pictures look very good in LR but the resulting JPG's are darker and just do not look good.

I could just make all the RAW's lighter and hope for the best but I do not like guessing. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Am I missing a preset or other setting?

Thanks for the help.

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Dec 15, 2012 16:05:27   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
If you are simply saving the RAW in a JPG format, you will ALWAYS be disappointed in the result. The RAW image has to be processed to reveal the underlying image that you are looking for. If you are not processing the image, then why are you shooting in RAW? Just because someone said it was the thing to do and you can?

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Dec 15, 2012 16:09:21   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
MT Shooter wrote:
If you are simply saving the RAW in a JPG format, you will ALWAYS be disappointed in the result. The RAW image has to be processed to reveal the underlying image that you are looking for. If you are not processing the image, then why are you shooting in RAW? Just because someone said it was the thing to do and you can?


Very good point MT. I do my post-processing on the RAW. Amazing how good you can get a RAW. JPG's are so limiting. I use RAW not because someone said so but because thru trial and error, I found them to be far superior to JPG's.

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Dec 15, 2012 16:54:22   #
birdpix Loc: South East Pennsylvania
 
abc1234 wrote:
I am not happy when exporting RAW's to JPG's. Though I am using Lightroom 4.3, I suspect that this is a general problem and not one specific to LR. The pictures look very good in LR but the resulting JPG's are darker and just do not look good.

I could just make all the RAW's lighter and hope for the best but I do not like guessing. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Am I missing a preset or other setting?

Thanks for the help.


In your Export File settings, what color space are you exporting them in? If it is anything except sRGB you must use a color managed program to view them properly. If you are exporting them for web or email use sRGB is what you want.

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Dec 15, 2012 17:38:43   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
abc1234 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
If you are simply saving the RAW in a JPG format, you will ALWAYS be disappointed in the result. The RAW image has to be processed to reveal the underlying image that you are looking for. If you are not processing the image, then why are you shooting in RAW? Just because someone said it was the thing to do and you can?
Very good point MT. I do my post-processing on the RAW. Amazing how good you can get a RAW. JPG's are so limiting. I use RAW not because someone said so but because thru trial and error, I found them to be far superior to JPG's.
quote=MT Shooter If you are simply saving the RAW... (show quote)
If you are importing your RAW files into Lightroom, then you are not touching them at all in post processing which is what you should be doing. That is a major advantage of Lightroom - it will not allow you to alter your RAW images.

Once in Lightroom, you can make as many edits and versions as you like from any RAW image and then only generate JPEGS or other formats from those you wish to share with others or to print. But all of your edits can be saved as virtual images in Lightroom thereby taking up no room on your harddrive and which can always be edited further at a future date.

You can save a huge amount of time by establishing some basic Lightroom presets for the RAW file importatation. Then batch process images that were exposed the same way (WB, exposure, etc.) to save even more post processing time.

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Dec 15, 2012 17:50:08   #
Frapha Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
 
abc1234 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
If you are simply saving the RAW in a JPG format, you will ALWAYS be disappointed in the result. The RAW image has to be processed to reveal the underlying image that you are looking for. If you are not processing the image, then why are you shooting in RAW? Just because someone said it was the thing to do and you can?


Very good point MT. I do my post-processing on the RAW. Amazing how good you can get a RAW. JPG's are so limiting. I use RAW not because someone said so but because thru trial and error, I found them to be far superior to JPG's.
quote=MT Shooter If you are simply saving the RAW... (show quote)


Would any advantage be gained by saving the the processed RAW image as a TIFF or other format rather than JPEG?

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Dec 15, 2012 18:11:06   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
Frapha wrote:
abc1234 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
If you are simply saving the RAW in a JPG format, you will ALWAYS be disappointed in the result. The RAW image has to be processed to reveal the underlying image that you are looking for. If you are not processing the image, then why are you shooting in RAW? Just because someone said it was the thing to do and you can?
Very good point MT. I do my post-processing on the RAW. Amazing how good you can get a RAW. JPG's are so limiting. I use RAW not because someone said so but because thru trial and error, I found them to be far superior to JPG's.
quote=MT Shooter If you are simply saving the RAW... (show quote)
Would any advantage be gained by saving the the processed RAW image as a TIFF or other format rather than JPEG?
quote=abc1234 quote=MT Shooter If you are simply... (show quote)
No. The same problem would still exist.

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Dec 15, 2012 20:38:18   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
birdpix wrote:
abc1234 wrote:
I am not happy when exporting RAW's to JPG's. Though I am using Lightroom 4.3, I suspect that this is a general problem and not one specific to LR. The pictures look very good in LR but the resulting JPG's are darker and just do not look good.

I could just make all the RAW's lighter and hope for the best but I do not like guessing. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Am I missing a preset or other setting?

Thanks for the help.


In your Export File settings, what color space are you exporting them in? If it is anything except sRGB you must use a color managed program to view them properly. If you are exporting them for web or email use sRGB is what you want.
quote=abc1234 I am not happy when exporting RAW's... (show quote)


I am exporting them as sRGB. Any other ideas?

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Dec 15, 2012 20:51:28   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
abc1234 wrote:
birdpix wrote:
abc1234 wrote:
I am not happy when exporting RAW's to JPG's. Though I am using Lightroom 4.3, I suspect that this is a general problem and not one specific to LR. The pictures look very good in LR but the resulting JPG's are darker and just do not look good.

I could just make all the RAW's lighter and hope for the best but I do not like guessing. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Am I missing a preset or other setting?

Thanks for the help.


In your Export File settings, what color space are you exporting them in? If it is anything except sRGB you must use a color managed program to view them properly. If you are exporting them for web or email use sRGB is what you want.
quote=abc1234 I am not happy when exporting RAW's... (show quote)


I am exporting them as sRGB. Any other ideas?
quote=birdpix quote=abc1234 I am not happy when ... (show quote)


I quit using light room and use camera RAW for my conversions.
They work very similar.

Go into the develope module in Lightroom and play with your presets.

Camera faithful.
Adobe,

I'm doing this from memory so I can't give all the possibilities.
The never used the default preset for conversion with Lightroom.

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Dec 15, 2012 21:44:47   #
birdpix Loc: South East Pennsylvania
 
abc1234 wrote:
birdpix wrote:
abc1234 wrote:
I am not happy when exporting RAW's to JPG's. Though I am using Lightroom 4.3, I suspect that this is a general problem and not one specific to LR. The pictures look very good in LR but the resulting JPG's are darker and just do not look good.

I could just make all the RAW's lighter and hope for the best but I do not like guessing. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Am I missing a preset or other setting?

Thanks for the help.


In your Export File settings, what color space are you exporting them in? If it is anything except sRGB you must use a color managed program to view them properly. If you are exporting them for web or email use sRGB is what you want.
quote=abc1234 I am not happy when exporting RAW's... (show quote)


I am exporting them as sRGB. Any other ideas?
quote=birdpix quote=abc1234 I am not happy when ... (show quote)


Not off the top of my head. I have not had this problem but I understand that some others have. Are you viewing them on a different monitor? What program are you using to view them? LR is color managed but some windows based programs are not and that can change the view. When you print the photos, do the prints match the monitor? Have you ever calibrated your monitor?
I'm grasping at straws here.

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Dec 15, 2012 21:55:24   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
birdpix wrote:
abc1234 wrote:
birdpix wrote:
abc1234 wrote:
I am not happy when exporting RAW's to JPG's. Though I am using Lightroom 4.3, I suspect that this is a general problem and not one specific to LR. The pictures look very good in LR but the resulting JPG's are darker and just do not look good.

I could just make all the RAW's lighter and hope for the best but I do not like guessing. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Am I missing a preset or other setting?

Thanks for the help.


In your Export File settings, what color space are you exporting them in? If it is anything except sRGB you must use a color managed program to view them properly. If you are exporting them for web or email use sRGB is what you want.
quote=abc1234 I am not happy when exporting RAW's... (show quote)


I am exporting them as sRGB. Any other ideas?
quote=birdpix quote=abc1234 I am not happy when ... (show quote)


Not off the top of my head. I have not had this problem but I understand that some others have. Are you viewing them on a different monitor? What program are you using to view them? LR is color managed but some windows based programs are not and that can change the view. When you print the photos, do the prints match the monitor? Have you ever calibrated your monitor?
I'm grasping at straws here.
quote=abc1234 quote=birdpix quote=abc1234 I am ... (show quote)


I am viewing the JPG's in LR and Windows on the same PC and monitor. I may have had the same problem when using Adobe Bridge and exporting thru Adobe Camera Raw.

Prints match monitor within the limits one would expect. This is true whether I use the default profile or the one from Costco.

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Dec 16, 2012 06:01:25   #
mauriceb
 
You must process RAW files. I open them in a RAW converter (I my case Apple Aperture, but any converter will do), then adjust the exposure before exporting to Photoshop where I use an Action script devised by Guy Gowan, at www.guygowan.com, that processes the image principally for contrast and sharpness and then I have an image I can save in jpg or leave in psd. It does not take very long to do this once the initial Action script has been setup and the results are generally very acceptable.

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Dec 16, 2012 06:51:34   #
Sheila B
 
I notice when I upload in Aperture, my raw files change when completely uploaded and become a tad darker. Can anyone tell me why? I shoot in RGB. I am new to Aperture so perhaps I need to change a setting?
As always, thank you for your advice!

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Dec 16, 2012 07:05:19   #
swanseamale47
 
Have you tried opening jpegs from your camera in lightroom and seeing if the same mismatch happens when you export those? I suspect some sort of profile mismatch somewhere.

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Dec 16, 2012 08:43:04   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
abc1234 wrote:
I am not happy when exporting RAW's to JPG's. Though I am using Lightroom 4.3, I suspect that this is a general problem and not one specific to LR. The pictures look very good in LR but the resulting JPG's are darker and just do not look good.

I could just make all the RAW's lighter and hope for the best but I do not like guessing. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Am I missing a preset or other setting?

Thanks for the help.


You did not mention the camera in use , if you are shooting with a canon you should have DPP , comes on the disk from Canon, I use it to individually process and convert my RAW images , in my case to TIFF format but JPG is available, I fail to understand the obsession with Adobe products when the major camera companies provide RAW conversions with their cameras. Does Firestone know your car better then the manufacturer? Bob.

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