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May 26, 2023 13:08:37   #
tomc601 Loc: Gilbert, AZ
 
I downloaded the Photoshop Beta and dived right into the Generative AI. Like many of you, I got some hysterical results in some situations. Not quite a woman with 3 legs that I saw in another post, but nonetheless, pretty funny. E.g., I asked G AI to fill in the a space occupied by a person and it replaced that person with another grossly deformed human. Still I persevered. And with a bit of patience and persistence was able to alter some photos that I was initially disappointed in. So many times with travel photos you're at the mercy of the crowds. So you take the shot but you wish all the people would have shown up later. Now there's an option. I'm not here to debate right or wrong, original or not, fake or real. I'm just happy to have two images I had hoped for in the first place.

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May 26, 2023 13:19:10   #
Elias Amador
 
I am all for population control, but to me these photos seem more viewable and interesting with people in them.

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May 26, 2023 13:59:30   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Elias Amador wrote:
I am all for population control, but to me these photos seem more viewable and interesting with people in them.


But now we have an option, people or no people.

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May 26, 2023 14:14:44   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
tomc601 wrote:
I downloaded the Photoshop Beta and dived right into the Generative AI. Like many of you, I got some hysterical results in some situations. Not quite a woman with 3 legs that I saw in another post, but nonetheless, pretty funny. E.g., I asked G AI to fill in the a space occupied by a person and it replaced that person with another grossly deformed human. Still I persevered. And with a bit of patience and persistence was able to alter some photos that I was initially disappointed in. So many times with travel photos you're at the mercy of the crowds. So you take the shot but you wish all the people would have shown up later. Now there's an option. I'm not here to debate right or wrong, original or not, fake or real. I'm just happy to have two images I had hoped for in the first place.
I downloaded the Photoshop Beta and dived right in... (show quote)


To me the issue isn't whether to use AI or not to use AI but requiring that viewers be informed that the picture has been altered in some way by the use of AI. And ensure that viewers have the ability to ascertain what was altered. Was it crowd removal. color of buildings changed, placement of sun or moon, sky changed, etc. In my mind, is it an actual photograph of what was seen or a rendition of what the photographer saw.

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May 26, 2023 14:31:23   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
While the use of AI will have many wonderful results, there are always unanticipated consequences to any new technology. I think that for AI one will be the death of photojournalism. People, in general, now doubt whether a photograph is valid/accurate/truthful. And this skepticism is already spilling over to videos.

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May 26, 2023 14:37:10   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Upon reviewing my two above posts one word suddenly comes to mind, ethics.

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May 26, 2023 16:17:18   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
This advance in AI is not different from tools we already have to remove people from photos. The issue is ethics. If you present an altered photo as an original - that is wrong. If, instead, it is presented for the scene it portrays - digital art.

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May 26, 2023 17:42:53   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
tomc601 wrote:
I downloaded the Photoshop Beta and dived right into the Generative AI. Like many of you, I got some hysterical results in some situations. Not quite a woman with 3 legs that I saw in another post, but nonetheless, pretty funny. E.g., I asked G AI to fill in the a space occupied by a person and it replaced that person with another grossly deformed human. Still I persevered. And with a bit of patience and persistence was able to alter some photos that I was initially disappointed in. So many times with travel photos you're at the mercy of the crowds. So you take the shot but you wish all the people would have shown up later. Now there's an option. I'm not here to debate right or wrong, original or not, fake or real. I'm just happy to have two images I had hoped for in the first place.
I downloaded the Photoshop Beta and dived right in... (show quote)

Such a spectacularly liveable place ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

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May 26, 2023 18:19:19   #
profbowman Loc: Harrisonburg, VA, USA
 
Elias Amador wrote:
I am all for population control, but to me these photos seem more viewable and interesting with people in them.


If we are taking a vote, I would also agree that I like travel photos with people in them. But it looks like you have learned to run this AI software (really machine lea4rning). --Richard

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May 26, 2023 18:41:37   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Photography can be art or accurate evidence. I choose art. Sometimes my art is close to reality. It is a lot more fun when it is not. I learned that when I had a darkroom and tried to burn, dodge and develop the way people like Ansel Adams did. With digital, the tools are better and it is more fun than ever.

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May 26, 2023 21:02:51   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
charles brown wrote:
While the use of AI will have many wonderful results, there are always unanticipated consequences to any new technology. I think that for AI one will be the death of photojournalism. People, in general, now doubt whether a photograph is valid/accurate/truthful. And this skepticism is already spilling over to videos.


I think photographs have never been able to be trusted to be valid/accurate/truthful. Things were done in the darkroom that make them not accurate. But I can't see how AI will be the death of photojournalism since AI is not allowed there. Some people may break the rules, but if they are exposed they won't have a job as a photojournalist any more.

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May 27, 2023 05:21:31   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
tomc601 wrote:
I downloaded the Photoshop Beta and dived right into the Generative AI. Like many of you, I got some hysterical results in some situations. Not quite a woman with 3 legs that I saw in another post, but nonetheless, pretty funny. E.g., I asked G AI to fill in the a space occupied by a person and it replaced that person with another grossly deformed human. Still I persevered. And with a bit of patience and persistence was able to alter some photos that I was initially disappointed in. So many times with travel photos you're at the mercy of the crowds. So you take the shot but you wish all the people would have shown up later. Now there's an option. I'm not here to debate right or wrong, original or not, fake or real. I'm just happy to have two images I had hoped for in the first place.
I downloaded the Photoshop Beta and dived right in... (show quote)


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Tom..

I fully agree with your assessment...

Like you, I downloaded the Beta version on the day of announcement, after watching Scott Kilby do the demonstration for Adobe...

Agreed, it is extremely quirky and has a lot of Flaws and I fully agree with you that, it seems like right now . it's best attribute is actually removing stuff, instead of adding stuff to the image.

I will continue to play with it in my, retired spare time at the age of 76... just playing with it to see what it does and continue to watch it as the software does mature.

As anything in computer programming, it's bound to get better in the hands of the right people.

My only sad consolation, is the fact that many, many people will generate stuff, display it, and then sit back and suck in all of the praises as if there are a wonderful and fabulous photographer...

.... Which they are not.
.... 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 😆 🤣 😂 😹

Cheers
GoldStar46
George Veazey

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May 27, 2023 05:27:38   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
charles brown wrote:
Upon reviewing my two above posts one word suddenly comes to mind, ethics.


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Charles

The values of what you are speaking about, are very rapidly leaving this planet and more spacifically are more rapidly being forgotten by a younger generation

Ethics? What the heck is at

With the younger generation it's all about, me, me, me and what I can get away with.

In closing yes.. the world is constantly changing and sometimes I wonder if it is truly for the better or for the worst.

Cheers
GoldStar46
George Veazey
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May 27, 2023 06:15:00   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
The people were removed and were shipped to the Soylent factory. Remember... Soylent is people.

AI, hatched in the 1980s, smoldered for decades and then went to a full back-draft blaze starting in 2000 when Edit Programs and plugins peppered their programs with new AI. Now AI is burning brightly .. what will tomorrow bring?

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May 27, 2023 06:52:15   #
joehel2 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
I am trying to wrap my head around AI in photography. When I look at these examples, if the AI generated photos are being presented as “the market place”, no caveat needed; if they are presented as “the market place at 6:00PM”, yes, caveat: people removed.

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