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May 13, 2023 17:49:32   #
bkwaters
 
Orphoto wrote:
The question posed is, are primes needed. Fast answer is, except for noted usages, no.

Secondary question, are primes sharper/better in some ways? No "fast" answer. Compared to nearly all constant aperture zooms, some primes are sharper. From sources I trust the 120-300 nikon is an exception.

I carry a backpack with 18 2.8, 25 1.4, 35 1.4, 55 1.4, 85 1.4, 135 2.0, 300 4pf & 500 pf. I dont carry it far but it represents highest achievable sharpness and optical qualities. If hiking then i revert to the usual zooms.

I rented the 500PF to take bald eagle pictures several years ago. It’s insanely good.
Am i nuts? Maybe. Is this the appropriate solution for you? Not for me to say.
The question posed is, are primes needed. Fast an... (show quote)

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May 13, 2023 17:53:28   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bkwaters wrote:
Fast primes are obviously beneficial for DOF control, such as in portrait photography. But is the “primes are sharper” argument still valid? With the ability of modern cameras to focus in low light and the effectiveness of noise reduction software, does the “primes are needed for low light” argument still hold?


Ok,
Final word.
All one needs is a 50mm F1.4 Lens.
All the rest are wants.

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May 13, 2023 17:56:47   #
BebuLamar
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Ok,
Final word.
All one needs is a 50mm F1.4 Lens.
All the rest are wants.

That what I bought for my first camera back in 1977. A Nikon F2AS and a 50mm f/1.4 lens all for a mere $750. I had it for 7 years until someone stole it from me in 1984.

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May 13, 2023 17:59:44   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
I have several primes all from Nikon some dating back many decades. In particular I use the short primes 20/24mm for things like the milky way and landscape and beach scenes. Also I use fixed micro lenses. But I also have a few zooms and particularly like their 16/35. My favorite of all of them is a decades old ai, 105mm, f4 micro.

Typically when traveling I use an Oly, rather than Nikons, and two of their pro zoom lenses. Seems a good outfit for me and cuts weight and bulk dramatically.

I think it all comes down to what you like to shoot under what conditions and what you’re comfortable with. They both have their place, at least for me. A couple years ago I went on vacation in Louisiana and intentionally only took a Nikon body and the 24mm prime. Enjoyed myself and got some images I was thoroughly pleased with. No gator shots though! Seemed a good experiment. Each to their own.

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May 13, 2023 19:26:35   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Ok,
Final word.
All one needs is a 50mm F1.4 Lens.
All the rest are wants.


When I switched from Pentax to Nikon I bought 2 F100 bodies, one black for black and white film and one chrome for color. My first 3 lenses were 24mm F/2.8, 50mm F/1.4 and 105mm F/2.8 macro. The bodies are long gone but I still have and sometimes use all three lenses. Other lenses have come and gone, but I just can't let go of these first three. Crazy?

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May 13, 2023 19:32:33   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Without knowing exactly and specifically what kind of work any photographer is going to do, what their approach to doing that work as to style and technique, and what their requirements are for their finished product, I could not even venture a guess or try to advise them on what lenses or anything else to put in the kit. The last time I did that successfully was in the Army where I had to train rookie photography specialists on precisely what they needed to pack their kits to do clearly defined work according to strict methodologies. I told them exactly what lenses to use as to focal length, speed, settings, and even the Government specification number assigned to those particular pieces of equipment and exactly how and when to use them. This ain't the army!

Here is what I can tell y'all:

In the olden days prime lenses, generally speaking, outperformed most zoom lenses as to sharpness, lack of aberrations, etc. Some zooms performed better at cerin focal lengths and or at various apertures. Nowadays, I am sure there are zooms that can outperform many of their prime ancestors. Good zooms are going to be expensive. All zooms are not created equally, there are different makes, different focal length ranges, and different speeds.

Lens choices also have to do with how much gear you need, are willing to carry, or can carry. Obviously, zooms are more convenient- you can carry less and change focal lengths quickly without having to juggle different lenses and bodies. Most of this is simple logic and common sense to most photographers.

I can talk optics and lens performance statistics 'till the cows come home but my approach is somewhat different. My theory is that each lens has its own "personality" and produces a certain "look" as to sharpness, softness, perspective at various distances, depth of field or lack thereof, "bokeh" shape and quality, and optical performance as to contrast, flare susceptibility, and even the waypoint light sources are rendered when a long exposure is employed. When I want a certain look or ambiance for a certain subject. I grab the lens that will do the work.

There are certain prime lenses, as to brands, focal lengths, speed, and models that are time-honored for specific jobs and effects. Some lenses have become kinda "industry standards" in the focal length and applications, Some faster lenses are especially suited where pleasing and unique "bokeh" is desired. There are some primes that are specifically designed for that purpose in portraiture and other impressionistic styles of photography.

Fast lenses are also handy in very low light where you want o use a low ISO setting to minimize noise or use shorter faster shutter speeds for hand-held operation. I don't know of any f/1.0 or f/.95 zoom lenses but there are primes in those ranges.

I don't know about any of y'all but I am not a lens collector. I won't buy a lens just for the sake of owning it. Your choice of lenses should be based on application, specific needs, and YOUR working methods, imagination, and creativity.

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May 13, 2023 19:58:39   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BebuLamar wrote:
That what I bought for my first camera back in 1977. A Nikon F2AS and a 50mm f/1.4 lens all for a mere $750. I had it for 7 years until someone stole it from me in 1984.


Yes, I still have my FD 50mm f1.4, first and only lens for about a year or so while I saved for another lens.
Privates didn't make much then.

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May 14, 2023 06:02:13   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
There was a time when a prime was superior in sharpness to a zoom. Today and especially professional zooms are equal to them in quality. Many photographers use a zoom for macro photography and count me as one of them.
Shooting in low light gives us three choices, raise the ISO speed, use a fast lens or use a flash unit. Reducing noise today is very easy using a denoise program.

When it comes to DOF control primes tend to be faster than zooms but even so a zoom with a f2.8 aperture will do very well in that respect. Is a prime a necessity? I do not think so today, perhaps maybe in special applications.
Talking about the Nikon 28-300 VR zoom, that lens and the 14-24 f2.8 are the only two lenses my retired ophthalmologist use. He has taken them to Africa with a rented 600mm f4 for wildlife and most recently in a tour through the Middle East only his two lenses saw action. He sent me some of the images he made with both lenses and I tell you that using good photographic techniques the images are superb in quality.

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May 14, 2023 06:33:30   #
ELNikkor
 
Haven't chosen primes for sharpness in a long time, just I like their small size & weight. If shooting night skies, like the speed & low cost for that speed.

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May 14, 2023 06:58:14   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
bkwaters wrote:
Fast primes are obviously beneficial for DOF control, such as in portrait photography. But is the “primes are sharper” argument still valid? With the ability of modern cameras to focus in low light and the effectiveness of noise reduction software, does the “primes are needed for low light” argument still hold?


With todays lens production many zooms are just as sharp as primes. But the real reason for sharp zooms is there versatility in the field.
I use a Sony 200-600 (mainly because Nikon still has not produced one) I digress.
Anyway, at many distances the 200-600 is just as sharp as my Sony 600 prime, especially when you consider you can use Topaz post production to sharpen any image in post now days.
Low light is no longer a big deal with today's high iso handling Mirrorless camera's, again, with DeNoise high iso's are no longer a problem.
No I am not discounting primes, I have many Zeiss primes for my Sony including one of my favorites, the 40 mm Zeiss f2 Batis lens, it does close up work like no other lens I have ever owned.
So, I am sure the argument will continue about primes vs. zooms.
Zooms sure have come a long way since my Nikon 43-86 f3.5 lens.

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May 14, 2023 07:26:22   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
So I've read, years ago: "Today and especially professional zooms are equal to them [primes] in quality."

My experience tells me so as well. In fact, I can do almost all my photography with a 24-105mm zoom lens.

Given an effective composition, a good exposure, an interesting subject, and a clear intention, a zoom lens will produce a worthy photograph.
camerapapi wrote:
There was a time when a prime was superior in sharpness to a zoom. Today and especially professional zooms are equal to them in quality. Many photographers use a zoom for macro photography and count me as one of them.
Shooting in low light gives us three choices, raise the ISO speed, use a fast lens or use a flash unit. Reducing noise today is very easy using a denoise program.

When it comes to DOF control primes tend to be faster than zooms but even so a zoom with a f2.8 aperture will do very well in that respect. Is a prime a necessity? I do not think so today, perhaps maybe in special applications.
Talking about the Nikon 28-300 VR zoom, that lens and the 14-24 f2.8 are the only two lenses my retired ophthalmologist use. He has taken them to Africa with a rented 600mm f4 for wildlife and most recently in a tour through the Middle East only his two lenses saw action. He sent me some of the images he made with both lenses and I tell you that using good photographic techniques the images are superb in quality.
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May 14, 2023 07:57:31   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
User ID wrote:
My primes are generally NOT fast, but I would be lost without them. They might be a bit sharper than zooms, but that is of verrrrrrry minor concern to me. I get the same DoF control with an f:4.5 lens or an f:2.0 lens, so no issue there.

UHH only allows ten frames per post, so below is the tip of the iceberg (all FF):


Ten frames limit per post? Why not jus list them?

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May 14, 2023 08:06:01   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
Many of those who suggest fast primes are no longer needed are not indoor sport shooters. The zooms can’t compete with the extra stop or more of light or focus speed that primes offer.
For most other shooting, I find the sharpness issue is hardly noticeable between my 24-70 / 70-200 zooms vs. a prime equivalent.

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May 14, 2023 08:40:02   #
BebuLamar
 
Bill_de wrote:
When I switched from Pentax to Nikon I bought 2 F100 bodies, one black for black and white film and one chrome for color. My first 3 lenses were 24mm F/2.8, 50mm F/1.4 and 105mm F/2.8 macro. The bodies are long gone but I still have and sometimes use all three lenses. Other lenses have come and gone, but I just can't let go of these first three. Crazy?

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Do you still have the chrome F100 body? It's a rarity.

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May 14, 2023 08:41:54   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
bkwaters wrote:
Fast primes are obviously beneficial for DOF control, such as in portrait photography. But is the “primes are sharper” argument still valid? With the ability of modern cameras to focus in low light and the effectiveness of noise reduction software, does the “primes are needed for low light” argument still hold?


I own a 50mm 1.8 that I purchased four years ago to when my granddaughter was born. Could not use flash with a newborn. Haven’t used it since. My zooms start at 2.8 or 3.5 and are much more convenient for my uses with flash or no flash.

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