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Mar 26, 2023 04:55:56   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
"I use the adapter with helical cuz rangefinder lenses need help for close focus."

The pre M Leica lenses provided for this with an adaptor that went between the screw mount lens and the body that allowed the lens to focus close in and it worked flawlessly, even had an auxiliary frame window that adjusted for parallax, for the view finders of all view finder cameras. I have both the 35mm and 50mm lens adaptors. For longer lenses both the Visoflex adaptors were used for lenses from 85mm to 200mm for any type of close or normal distances (the Visoflex was the pre SLR system).

E. Leitz pretty much provided solutions for any possibilities in photography with their cameras. And naturally, most of these items are hard to come by, or off the scale for most users pocketbook, but they sure do attract the collectors.

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Mar 26, 2023 08:47:52   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Basil wrote:
Now that I have bought into the mirrorless world and purchased a Canon R5, I have begun the process of deciding which EF lenses to keep and which to sell and replace with RF versions.

The EF lenses I've replaced so far are:
EF 24-105 (Replaced with RF 24-105)
EF 70-200 f4 Non-IS (replaced with RF 70-200 f4 IS)

EF Lenses I'm (so far) keeping:
Sigma 150-600 Contemporary (already tried it out on Birds and it works great)
Canon 300mm f4 L prime
Canon 135 f2
Canon 50mm f1/4

One RF lens that wasn't a replacement, but a new focal length for my kit was the Canon RF 85mm f2. I have always wanted a good 85mm. I would have loved to buy the RF 85 f/1.2 for its creamy bokeh and low light capabilities, but dang, $2600 (on sale) - yikes! The 85 f/2 I recently bought (refurbished) for $489 from Canon is really a terrific lens! Sharp as a tack and great color rendition. Plus, it's much smaller and lighter that the f1.2 "beast" and will cover my needs most of the time.

But this got me thinking - looking at the used market, it is possible to get the EF 85 L II f/1.2 in good used condition for under $1000. Let's just say $1000 for sake of discussion. If I kept the RF 85 f2 for hiking and travel and 90% of my shooting, I could buy a used EF 85 for those occasions when I really felt I needed those extra stops, whether for better bokeh or better low light performance. So for about 1/2 the cost of a new RF 85, I could have the best of both worlds - one lens that's light and small and easy to tote around for everyday use, and another lens for special occasions when that 1.2 is needed. And all this while saving a ton of cash.

Does that scheme make sense?
Now that I have bought into the mirrorless world a... (show quote)


... and, why not rent the lens for those few special occasions?

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Mar 26, 2023 09:34:03   #
ThreeCee Loc: Washington, DC
 
Basil wrote:
Now that I have bought into the mirrorless world and purchased a Canon R5, I have begun the process of deciding which EF lenses to keep and which to sell and replace with RF versions.

The EF lenses I've replaced so far are:
EF 24-105 (Replaced with RF 24-105)
EF 70-200 f4 Non-IS (replaced with RF 70-200 f4 IS)

EF Lenses I'm (so far) keeping:
Sigma 150-600 Contemporary (already tried it out on Birds and it works great)
Canon 300mm f4 L prime
Canon 135 f2
Canon 50mm f1/4

One RF lens that wasn't a replacement, but a new focal length for my kit was the Canon RF 85mm f2. I have always wanted a good 85mm. I would have loved to buy the RF 85 f/1.2 for its creamy bokeh and low light capabilities, but dang, $2600 (on sale) - yikes! The 85 f/2 I recently bought (refurbished) for $489 from Canon is really a terrific lens! Sharp as a tack and great color rendition. Plus, it's much smaller and lighter that the f1.2 "beast" and will cover my needs most of the time.

But this got me thinking - looking at the used market, it is possible to get the EF 85 L II f/1.2 in good used condition for under $1000. Let's just say $1000 for sake of discussion. If I kept the RF 85 f2 for hiking and travel and 90% of my shooting, I could buy a used EF 85 for those occasions when I really felt I needed those extra stops, whether for better bokeh or better low light performance. So for about 1/2 the cost of a new RF 85, I could have the best of both worlds - one lens that's light and small and easy to tote around for everyday use, and another lens for special occasions when that 1.2 is needed. And all this while saving a ton of cash.

Does that scheme make sense?
Now that I have bought into the mirrorless world a... (show quote)


The 85 1.2 is a specialty lens more for portraits. The EF was the workhorse for Portrait Photographer for the bokeh. The EF is not as sharp as the new 85 from reviews I’ve read. I am in a similar situation since most of my glass is EF. The RFs I’ve purchased are excellent. I will buy all RF moving forward. Will get more if you need to sell. The inexpensive RF800 is only $1000 and is great for birds if you aren’t selling photos.

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Mar 26, 2023 11:23:28   #
MountainDave
 
Like you, I am old (72) and still go on long, strenuous hikes and climbs. I own a EF 35 2.0 IS and 1.4L II for exactly the same reason you're considering the 85 1.2L. I bought the 1.4 used as well. I don't use either lens a whole lot and sometimes think I should have just bought one. But I expect both will be in my estate so I'm OK with that. I've had a 85 1.8 for many years and don't use it a whole lot so I don't have any specific advice on that focal length. I know the 85 1.2 has been knocked for slow and sometimes not accurate AF but I'll bet it performs a lot better on a R5 vs 5D4. Used ones seem like good bang for the buck.

Bottom line: I would wait a bit and assess just how much an 85 1.2 can do something your 85 2.0 or 135 2L cannot. Make sure it is the best use of 1000. The main reason I don't use my 85 much is I'd rather use the 135 which creates magical images. BTW, the 135 has become quite a legend with legions of passionate users, including me. I don't see the same level of passion for the 85. I have preordered the RF 135 1.8. I guess millions of others have as well because I'm still waiting!

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Mar 26, 2023 12:05:47   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
jlg1000 wrote:
... and, why not rent the lens for those few special occasions?


That's not an altogether bad option to be sure, especially for the RF version. But, if the EF lens wasn't available for under $1000 I probably would do that, but if I could pick up the EF version for $700-800, and then have it whenever I needed it, then why not. I did recently rent the RF 70-200 f4 to see if I really wanted to buy it (I did) and I also once rented the Sigma 150-600 C to help decide if I wanted to buy that (I did).

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Mar 26, 2023 12:06:22   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Basil wrote:
Now that I have bought into the mirrorless world and purchased a Canon R5, I have begun the process of deciding which EF lenses to keep and which to sell and replace with RF versions.

The EF lenses I've replaced so far are:
EF 24-105 (Replaced with RF 24-105)
EF 70-200 f4 Non-IS (replaced with RF 70-200 f4 IS)

EF Lenses I'm (so far) keeping:
Sigma 150-600 Contemporary (already tried it out on Birds and it works great)
Canon 300mm f4 L prime
Canon 135 f2
Canon 50mm f1/4

One RF lens that wasn't a replacement, but a new focal length for my kit was the Canon RF 85mm f2. I have always wanted a good 85mm. I would have loved to buy the RF 85 f/1.2 for its creamy bokeh and low light capabilities, but dang, $2600 (on sale) - yikes! The 85 f/2 I recently bought (refurbished) for $489 from Canon is really a terrific lens! Sharp as a tack and great color rendition. Plus, it's much smaller and lighter that the f1.2 "beast" and will cover my needs most of the time.

But this got me thinking - looking at the used market, it is possible to get the EF 85 L II f/1.2 in good used condition for under $1000. Let's just say $1000 for sake of discussion. If I kept the RF 85 f2 for hiking and travel and 90% of my shooting, I could buy a used EF 85 for those occasions when I really felt I needed those extra stops, whether for better bokeh or better low light performance. So for about 1/2 the cost of a new RF 85, I could have the best of both worlds - one lens that's light and small and easy to tote around for everyday use, and another lens for special occasions when that 1.2 is needed. And all this while saving a ton of cash.

Does that scheme make sense?
Now that I have bought into the mirrorless world a... (show quote)


From my perspective, I'd just say no. The same dilemma exists with Micro 4/3, where there are two f/1.2 42.5mm lenses and an f/1.7 42.5mm lens and an f/1.8 45mm lens. (42.5mm on Micro 4/3 has the same field of view as an 85mm lens on full frame. 45mm equates to 90mm.)

I went round and round about this and just bought the Lumix 42.5mm f/1.7. It was $1000 less than the Panasonic Leica 42.5mm f/1.2. So that $1000 is in savings, waiting on a future camera body purchase.

My reasoning? I need an 85mm equivalent for portraits, for video interviews, and for short film dialog. I use it for some street work, but prefer a shorter zoom for that, most of the time. Am I missing the Leica glass? Yes, BUT, the difference is not important to me. I'd rather have a Leica 15mm f/1.7 (30mm FF equivalent field of view). It will see a lot more use.

f/2 is 1.33 stops dimmer than f/1.2. You would be using the lens on a full frame body. Is the body stabilized? Yes? Then unless you photograph action, forget about it. f/2 is fine. Do you photograph a lot of fast moving athletes and other animals? THEN, think about it. An 85mm f/1.2 makes some sense for basketball and other indoor sports.

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Mar 26, 2023 12:21:19   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
ThreeCee wrote:
The 85 1.2 is a specialty lens more for portraits. The EF was the workhorse for Portrait Photographer for the bokeh. The EF is not as sharp as the new 85 from reviews I’ve read. I am in a similar situation since most of my glass is EF. The RFs I’ve purchased are excellent. I will buy all RF moving forward. Will get more if you need to sell. The inexpensive RF800 is only $1000 and is great for birds if you aren’t selling photos.


Yes, I've read that if you pixel-peep the RF 85 is sharper across the frame than the EF version (and the EF suffers from pretty bad chromatic aberration), but I've played with a friend's EF and the images it can produce (if you get the focus just right) are stunning. There is just something magical about the bokeh it produces. Well, I haven't decided for sure that this is the route I'm going to go. I'm not really locked in on the idea, just something I'm thinking about. Have heard some good thoughts in this thread.

As for the RF800 - It's a neat concept but I already have the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary and, while it is about 1.25 lbs heavier, it is MUCH brighter (even brighter that the RF 100-500). With the adjustments that YouTuber Wade Paton recommended, I found it was an amazing lens paired with my R5 for birding. Here's a Kestrel that was quite far off that I shot handheld at 600mm. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-762006-1.html

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Mar 26, 2023 12:24:42   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
MountainDave wrote:
Like you, I am old (72) and still go on long, strenuous hikes and climbs. I own a EF 35 2.0 IS and 1.4L II for exactly the same reason you're considering the 85 1.2L. I bought the 1.4 used as well. I don't use either lens a whole lot and sometimes think I should have just bought one. But I expect both will be in my estate so I'm OK with that. I've had a 85 1.8 for many years and don't use it a whole lot so I don't have any specific advice on that focal length. I know the 85 1.2 has been knocked for slow and sometimes not accurate AF but I'll bet it performs a lot better on a R5 vs 5D4. Used ones seem like good bang for the buck.

Bottom line: I would wait a bit and assess just how much an 85 1.2 can do something your 85 2.0 or 135 2L cannot. Make sure it is the best use of 1000. The main reason I don't use my 85 much is I'd rather use the 135 which creates magical images. BTW, the 135 has become quite a legend with legions of passionate users, including me. I don't see the same level of passion for the 85. I have preordered the RF 135 1.8. I guess millions of others have as well because I'm still waiting!
Like you, I am old (72) and still go on long, stre... (show quote)


Well, you make some good points. A couple other lenses I have been looking at are the RF 14-35 f/4 (I do a lot of landscapes) and possibly, later down the road, the RF 100mm f2.8 Macro.

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Mar 26, 2023 12:57:11   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
tramsey wrote:
I don't understand why you feel you need seven lens or are you a professional photographer. I can see three or four but seven?
I took wild life photos along with kid and grand kid portraits for twenty years and have only one lens and it covered it all


I hope that's meant to be funny? I'm not a professional photographer, but I have a heck of a lot more than seven lenses, just enough, I think...I hope!

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Mar 26, 2023 15:20:57   #
User ID
 
Timmers wrote:
"I use the adapter with helical cuz rangefinder lenses need help for close focus."

The pre M Leica lenses provided for this with an adaptor that went between the screw mount lens and the body that allowed the lens to focus close in and it worked flawlessly, even had an auxiliary frame window that adjusted for parallax, for the view finders of all view finder cameras. I have both the 35mm and 50mm lens adaptors. For longer lenses both the Visoflex adaptors were used for lenses from 85mm to 200mm for any type of close or normal distances (the Visoflex was the pre SLR system).

E. Leitz pretty much provided solutions for any possibilities in photography with their cameras. And naturally, most of these items are hard to come by, or off the scale for most users pocketbook, but they sure do attract the collectors.
"I use the adapter with helical cuz rangefind... (show quote)

Yes E Leitz cobbled up endless weird crap that is great for collectors but a misery for users.

Thaz why my "Leica Bodies" for both M39 M-mount are Nikons. The Z eliminates all the limitations and problems without all the chatkes.

The converter with helical is needed due to a shortcoming of RF lenses. Many of the new generation of M-mount lenses focus much closer than the classics.


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Mar 26, 2023 17:29:30   #
Stu A Loc: Portsmouth, Ohio
 
tramsey wrote:
I don't understand why you feel you need seven lens or are you a professional photographer. I can see three or four but seven?
I took wild life photos along with kid and grand kid portraits for twenty years and have only one lens and it covered it all


??? Only pro's need more than 4 lenses ?

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Mar 27, 2023 13:10:54   #
Shieldskie
 
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Basil wrote:
Not that I need to justify my gear purchases to anyone, but since you asked - Over the course of a couple of decades I inherited some lenses when my uncle died. Kept some but sold some of those to buy different lenses; Some I bought used on Craig's List and some I have bought new since moving to the R5.

The ones I have bought new I either waited until they were on sale or, in the case of the 85 f2, I purchases as a refurbished unit from the Canon store. I sold some other lenses before buying those two. I also sold a DSLR and that money went towards my RF lenses also. If money was no object I would not have waited for sales, bought refurbished, nor sold other lenses.

Fact is, I am fully retired after 24 years in the military, plus another 20 as a contractor in the missile defense field, plus another 5 years as a program director for a mental health non-profit. In other words, I am at a place in my life where I will buy what I want, if it interests me, but I usually try to get the best deals I can. Does more gear make me feel better? Well, I enjoy the hobby of photography and very much enjoy trying out new gear with different capabilities. So, yes, I guess you could say it makes me feel better - because I'm having fun.
Not that I need to justify my gear purchases to an... (show quote)

Basil,I agree with you wholeheartedly, you buy whatever you want.

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