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Jan 23, 2023 12:48:54   #
jcwall396 Loc: Roswell, GA
 
Another topic that I'm sure will generate much discussion, but here goes.....I'm going to Iceland in July and plan to take (along with my Z6ii) my Sony RX10 IV with a 600 zoom lens to photograph puffins. I have no idea how close we can get to them, but I know I'll need some kind of zoom lens. Here's my question: Between a Sony RX10 IV with a 1" sensor and 600mm of zoom and a Nikon DX Z50 with a 50-250mm lens (375mm equivalent reach), which combo do you think will provide the best image quality to crop? I'm torn. The Sony is a great camera with great reach, but a much smaller sensor. The Z50 has a shorter reach but larger sensor. Thoughts as to what would provide the best quality and ability to crop up tight?

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Jan 23, 2023 12:56:18   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
I've been there. It was raining hard and blowing. On that day, the Puffins were smart enough to hunker down and hide. I got photos with an 800mm (equivalent field of view) on an M4/3 camera. Based on that experience and my wife's recent experience with a Sony RX10IV, I would suggest you'll do better with the Sony. But, have reasonable expectations. The Puffins are not good at posing for pictures.

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Jan 23, 2023 12:57:58   #
twowindsbear
 
Maybe practice & test the camera & lens combinations on small-ish subjects, crop & crop & crop some more & determine for yourself which give you the results that you like?

I think a 'fill the frame' shot with the longer lens & smaller sensor camera would be better than a more sever crop of a smaller image on a larger sensor. But, what do I know???

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Jan 23, 2023 13:08:11   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bsprague wrote:
I've been there. It was raining hard and blowing. On that day, the Puffins were smart enough to hunker down and hide. I got photos with an 800mm (equivalent field of view) on an M4/3 camera. Based on that experience and my wife's recent experience with a Sony RX10IV, I would suggest you'll do better with the Sony. But, have reasonable expectations. The Puffins are not good at posing for pictures.


Totally agree with this recommendation above.
The Z50 is pretty low resolution and any cropping makes it worse.

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Jan 23, 2023 13:08:30   #
bnsf
 
I have also a Sony RX10M4 and found out after reading the manual the Sony RX10M4 has a converter that will give you at 600mm a lens length of up to 1200mm built into the software.
On thing I would recommend is that if you do get the Sony purchase extra batteries they come in handy.

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Jan 23, 2023 13:16:49   #
jcwall396 Loc: Roswell, GA
 
bsprague wrote:
I've been there. It was raining hard and blowing. On that day, the Puffins were smart enough to hunker down and hide. I got photos with an 800mm (equivalent field of view) on an M4/3 camera. Based on that experience and my wife's recent experience with a Sony RX10IV, I would suggest you'll do better with the Sony. But, have reasonable expectations. The Puffins are not good at posing for pictures.


Good info, thanks.

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Jan 23, 2023 13:17:19   #
jcwall396 Loc: Roswell, GA
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Maybe practice & test the camera & lens combinations on small-ish subjects, crop & crop & crop some more & determine for yourself which give you the results that you like?

I think a 'fill the frame' shot with the longer lens & smaller sensor camera would be better than a more sever crop of a smaller image on a larger sensor. But, what do I know???


Great idea. I've been doing some testing already between lenses and light, but haven't done this one yet.

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Jan 23, 2023 13:18:07   #
jcwall396 Loc: Roswell, GA
 
bnsf wrote:
I have also a Sony RX10M4 and found out after reading the manual the Sony RX10M4 has a converter that will give you at 600mm a lens length of up to 1200mm built into the software.
On thing I would recommend is that if you do get the Sony purchase extra batteries they come in handy.


I already have the Sony and do have an extra battery (never leave home without extras). I will google this but could you point me in the direction of where in the manual it mentions that extra crop factor? That's pretty extreme....

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Jan 23, 2023 13:35:38   #
jcwall396 Loc: Roswell, GA
 
jcwall396 wrote:
I already have the Sony and do have an extra battery (never leave home without extras). I will google this but could you point me in the direction of where in the manual it mentions that extra crop factor? That's pretty extreme....


Nevermind....it's called Clear Image Zoom and only works shooting JPGs. Pretty impressive, however, with just a quick test here in my office.

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Jan 23, 2023 14:15:45   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
jcwall396 wrote:
Nevermind....it's called Clear Image Zoom and only works shooting JPGs. Pretty impressive, however, with just a quick test here in my office.


It is another one of those things that shouldn't work as well as it does.

The other that I'm experimenting with is the Topaz apps. It appears that I can crank up the ISO far enough to make hand holdable, long zoom shots and then get rid of the noise in post.

The processed images may not be 30x40 gallery printable, but they can make some decent home office sized prints.

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Jan 23, 2023 14:19:46   #
jcwall396 Loc: Roswell, GA
 
bsprague wrote:
It is another one of those things that shouldn't work as well as it does.

The other that I'm experimenting with is the Topaz apps. It appears that I can crank up the ISO far enough to make hand holdable, long zoom shots and then get rid of the noise in post.

The processed images may not be 30x40 gallery printable, but they can make some decent home office sized prints.


Yeah, Topaz has saved several noisy images for me....and I don't print 30x40 except once in a blue moon.

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Jan 23, 2023 14:22:25   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Is that 50-250 weather sealed when on the Z6ii? The Sony is RX10IV is advertised as such. Nobody ever seems to know how good weather sealing on any camera is, but in Iceland, it might matter.

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Jan 23, 2023 14:31:38   #
jcwall396 Loc: Roswell, GA
 
bsprague wrote:
Is that 50-250 weather sealed when on the Z6ii? The Sony is RX10IV is advertised as such. Nobody ever seems to know how good weather sealing on any camera is, but in Iceland, it might matter.


I'm not sure, but I wouldn't use the 50-250 on the Z6ii, I'd leave it on the Z50, BUT....it's not weather sealed. So that's a great point as I understand the weather in Iceland changes on practically a minute by minute basis.

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Jan 23, 2023 15:11:17   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jcwall396 wrote:
Another topic that I'm sure will generate much discussion, but here goes.....I'm going to Iceland in July and plan to take (along with my Z6ii) my Sony RX10 IV with a 600 zoom lens to photograph puffins. I have no idea how close we can get to them, but I know I'll need some kind of zoom lens. Here's my question: Between a Sony RX10 IV with a 1" sensor and 600mm of zoom and a Nikon DX Z50 with a 50-250mm lens (375mm equivalent reach), which combo do you think will provide the best image quality to crop? I'm torn. The Sony is a great camera with great reach, but a much smaller sensor. The Z50 has a shorter reach but larger sensor. Thoughts as to what would provide the best quality and ability to crop up tight?
Another topic that I'm sure will generate much dis... (show quote)


Also the Sony has useable video capabilities if that should be desired.

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Jan 23, 2023 15:56:54   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Also the Sony has useable video capabilities if that should be desired.

Useable? How about exceptional or even marvelous.

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