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Nov 21, 2022 12:16:27   #
mindzye Loc: WV
 
Longshadow wrote:
Correct.

"Perfect" matters the most to the creator. Yea, it really matters.
Well, a good majority of them.
And is relative.
(Reasonably affordable is relative also....)

People spend thousands and thousands on equipment, because it makes them feel good that they have the best. More power to them.

When I look at an image, I don't wonder if it was made with a $4,000 camera or edited on a $2,000 monitor.
I don't care. I'll look at the image and either like it or not.
Correct. br br "Perfect" matters the mo... (show quote)



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Nov 21, 2022 12:48:20   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Don't buy an expensive camera and use your kit lenses from your entry-level digital camera ....
Don't buy an expensive computer and use your outdated monitor ...
Don't buy an expensive camera and use an off brand battery ...
Don't buy an expensive camera and use an off brand memory card ...
The lessons of these broken ideas are demonstrated in the daily Q&A of the Main Discussion section, literally daily.
I could not have said it better.

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Nov 21, 2022 13:00:10   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
Kit lenses may be like Nikon’s plastic 17-55, but those cheap lenses have really good optics. Yes plastic through and through, don’t zoom smoothly and so on, but a manufacturer would be foolish to include a lens with crappy optics.

I had been checking out Canon’s entry level DSLR when my kids got me the Nikon D40 from Walmart, which included the 17-55 lens. I was impressed with the clarity and sharpness of the images it produced. Had Nikon included a cheap lens with crappy optics, I would have taken the Nikon back to Walmart and gotten the Canon. When a newbie purchases their first DSLR and the images are lousy, no way are they going to spend more money on a better lens because whether or not, “it’s the cameras fault” plain and simple.

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Nov 21, 2022 14:00:18   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
tcthome wrote:
Largest color space = 100% Adobe RGB you can afford & a monitor calibrator device. 9helps a lot if you print your work)


100% Adobe RGB is far from the largest color space. ProPhoto is larger and LAB is larger than that.

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Nov 21, 2022 14:21:18   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Bigger is better, gotta get every single possible color combination in the universe....

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Nov 21, 2022 22:29:29   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Don't buy an expensive camera and use your kit lenses from your entry-level digital camera ....

Don't buy an expensive computer and use your outdated monitor ...

Don't buy an expensive camera and use an off brand battery ...

Don't buy an expensive camera and use an off brand memory card ...

The lessons of these broken ideas are demonstrated in the daily Q&A of the Main Discussion section, literally daily.



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Nov 22, 2022 01:18:45   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
I recently picked up a computer monitor at Goodwill. The thing is super heavy and much more substantial than most ordinary monitors. Ends up it was meant to be used for design work, CAD and so on.

I’ve found that most of my photos are actually much sharper than the ordinary monitors led me to believe. I now believe what I’ve read about the Nikon 80-200 2.8 being “tack” sharp because it actually is. It captured every wrinkle, individual gray hair and liver spot on my face. Oh yeah...

I guess the moral of the story is don’t cheap out on your monitor. With a good monitor you might find that you don’t need that new super sharp lens after all.
I recently picked up a computer monitor at Goodwil... (show quote)


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Last week in the B&H deal page emails, they offered a 20 some in Dell monitor for half price---$150. delivered. Indeed monitors are coming down in price. The reviews pointed it was not the Dell top of line, but they couldn't tell the difference in comparison.-----ew

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Nov 22, 2022 07:32:45   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Don't buy an expensive camera and use your kit lenses from your entry-level digital camera ....

Don't buy an expensive computer and use your outdated monitor ...

Don't buy an expensive camera and use an off brand battery ...

Don't buy an expensive camera and use an off brand memory card ...

The lessons of these broken ideas are demonstrated in the daily Q&A of the Main Discussion section, literally daily.

I guess the main takeaway here is don't buy an expensive camera.....

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Nov 22, 2022 07:38:52   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Longshadow wrote:
I guess the main takeaway here is don't buy an expensive camera.....


That's a great way to avoid complicated problems.

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Nov 22, 2022 08:04:05   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
That's a great way to avoid complicated problems.


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Nov 22, 2022 12:43:13   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Longshadow wrote:
And how will others perceive the image on their $120 off the shelf monitor.
Same for the lenses, no one other than the photographer knows whether the lens used was $250 or $2,500.

It's all in the photographer's perception.


To a great degree I agree with you, but keep in mind that great lenses address such things as contrast, color rendition, and sharpeness across that image as well as various distortions, etc While the differences might be subtle for most people, a great lens in the hands of somebody who knows how to get the best from it can result in superior images even if the reasons they are superior are not evident to the average person. Obviously lighting, subject matter, and composition play the major role in the final result, but the lens used can make a noticeable difference.

Of course the monitor being used does make a difference. As an example I can see greater detail on my 28-in 4K monitor that may be more difficult to see on a lower resolution smaller monitor.

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Nov 22, 2022 12:52:25   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
User ID wrote:
You are a Philistine Troglodyte, and a blasphemous violator of UHH Sacred Tradition. How can you even sleep at night ??!?!? May your boots leak !



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Nov 22, 2022 13:03:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mwsilvers wrote:
To a great degree I agree with you, but keep in mind that great lenses address contrast, color rendition, sharpeness across that image as well as various distortions, etc. While the differences might be subtle for most people, a great lens in the hands of somebody who knows how to get the best from it will result in superior images even if the reasons they are superior are not evident to the average person.

And how would the average Joe know, unless he's told or has something to compare.
Best/superior is relative.
The photographer worries about it the most, not the viewer.
The photographer is the one who worries about "superior".
"Lens A is 60% sharper than that lens B." Again, the photographer is the one more concerned.
Many of these things that really matter to the photographer, won't matter to the average viewer (not a pixel peeper).
I never look at an image and wonder "Did he use an expensive lens or a cheap lens. (You can replace "lens" with camera also.)

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Nov 22, 2022 13:04:46   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Longshadow wrote:
And how would the average Joe know, unless he's told or has something to compare.
Best/superior is relative.
The photographer worries about it the most, not the viewer.
The photographer is the one who worries about "superior".
"Lens A is 60% sharper than that lens B." Again, the photographer is the one more concerned.
Many of these things that really matter to the photographer, won't matter to the averageviewer (not a pixel peeper).
I never look at an image and wonder "Did he use an expensive lens or a cheap lens. (You can replace "lens" with camera also.)
And how would the average Joe know, unless he's to... (show quote)

The average Joe won't know. But hopefully he will think the picture looks great, and whether he knows it or not a top quality lens can contribute to the final result. I also think a highly resolving lens is especially important for cropped images where loss of fine detail may be more evident even on a moderately inexpensive monitor.

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Nov 22, 2022 13:16:36   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mwsilvers wrote:
The average Joe won't know. But hopefully he will think the picture looks great, and whether he knows it or not a top quality lens can contribute to that.

Key operator: can contribute.

To many it is an absolute must,
regardless if it would be grasped by the viewer.

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