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Nov 12, 2022 11:56:05   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Hernando County Fl.
 
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/features/shall-i-throw-away-my-camera-these-images-are-not-photographs

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Nov 12, 2022 12:09:29   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
IMHO I think AI-generated pictures and photographs (whatever the medium) are two different things. Each may supplement the other but neither replaces the other except in the esoteric world of abstract art.

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Nov 12, 2022 12:16:31   #
Stephan G
 
stanikon wrote:
IMHO I think AI-generated pictures and photographs (whatever the medium) are two different things. Each may supplement the other but neither replaces the other except in the esoteric world of abstract art.


I agree.

Art is in the hands of the beholder. We all have seen patterns in Nature that is Art. For example, the patterns formed by the pendulum suspended two stories high in the sand at the base, swinging to the rotation of the Earth.

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Nov 12, 2022 12:18:57   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
There are real hamburgers made from beef and then there are fake burgers made from ground up textured pea stuff. Real or fake, it’s my choice of which (real of course.)

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Nov 12, 2022 12:23:24   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Hernando County Fl.
 
stanikon wrote:
IMHO I think AI-generated pictures and photographs (whatever the medium) are two different things. Each may supplement the other but neither replaces the other except in the esoteric world of abstract art.


But with the inevitable improvements won’t the AI images become indistinguishable from photographs? And if so, why will there be a need for a camera?

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Nov 12, 2022 12:38:13   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
Mac wrote:
But with the inevitable improvements won’t the AI images become indistinguishable from photographs? And if so, why will there be a need for a camera?


How is AI going to produce photos of your granddaughter's 1st birthday party? How is AI going to produce a photo of your 98-year old grandmother on her front porch? How is AI going to capture any special moment that is gone in an instant, never to be seen again? The list of possibilities goes on and on.

AI may be able to produce an image of a vase and flowers that is as good or maybe even better than a photograph and may even be indistinguishable from it. Neither one is real; they are both interpretations of a light source and reflection.

Eventually, perhaps, AI will be able to do all of those things when it can read minds. When that happens the human race is lost anyway.

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Nov 12, 2022 12:41:31   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Hernando County Fl.
 
stanikon wrote:
How is AI going to produce photos of your granddaughter's 1st birthday party? How is AI going to produce a photo of your 98-year old grandmother on her front porch? How is AI going to capture any special moment that is gone in an instant, never to be seen again? The list of possibilities goes on and on.

AI may be able to produce an image of a vase and flowers that is as good or maybe even better than a photograph and may even be indistinguishable from it. Neither one is real; they are both interpretations of a light source and reflection.

Eventually, perhaps, AI will be able to do all of those things when it can read minds. When that happens the human race is lost anyway.
How is AI going to produce photos of your granddau... (show quote)


Good points Stan.

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Nov 12, 2022 12:55:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Mac wrote:
But with the inevitable improvements won’t the AI images become indistinguishable from photographs? And if so, why will there be a need for a camera?

Easier to record things that are than spend time building/creating an image?
Faster to record things?

AI is simply another "art" medium.
Oils
Pastels
charcoal pencil
film
stone
metal
clay
AI
,,,,,,,

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Nov 12, 2022 12:59:54   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
Longshadow wrote:
Easier to record things that are than spend time building/creating an image?
Faster to record things?

AI is simply another "art" medium.
Oils
Pastels
charcoal pencil
film
stone
metal
clay
AI
,,,,,,,



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Nov 12, 2022 15:30:36   #
terryMc
 
Why is there no "Love" button to use to respond to this?

The idea that typing a few words into a computer produces anything that you can call your own "art" is preposterous, since you have created nothing, and a photograph is still a light sensitive surface exposed to the light, not pixels generated by algorithms.

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Nov 12, 2022 15:34:45   #
terryMc
 
Longshadow wrote:
Easier to record things that are than spend time building/creating an image?
Faster to record things?

AI is simply another "art" medium.
Oils
Pastels
charcoal pencil
film
stone
metal
clay
AI
,,,,,,,


Well, how is it then that you need do nothing to get your "art" from the AI "medium" except talk to it? You need no skill, no talent, no knowledge, just say "Show me a flower in a vase." What kind of "art" is that?

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Nov 12, 2022 16:17:52   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
terryMc wrote:
Well, how is it then that you need do nothing to get your "art" from the AI "medium" except talk to it? You need no skill, no talent, no knowledge, just say "Show me a flower in a vase." What kind of "art" is that?


I think it is, or will be, the same as it is with a camera. Right now using a camera you can create art but you can also create documentaries or historical recordings, which are certainly not "art." If AI continues to get better, as it's bound to do, there will be creative aspects and possibilities that are unheard of today and are beyond our imagination, just as digital cameras were a few years ago. When I took my first pictures, if anyone had asked me about a digital camera, the response would have been, "Huh?" That's true of virtually everyone on this forum. Anyone who thinks today's technology will still be in use 100 years from now is a fool. Today's SOTA cameras will be long ago turned to dust except for the few that survive in museums.

I'm sure that there were some who said of the now-ubiquitous digital cameras that talent was no longer needed since the camera did everything for the photographer except press the shutter button.

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Nov 12, 2022 16:40:40   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
terryMc wrote:
Well, how is it then that you need do nothing to get your "art" from the AI "medium" except talk to it? You need no skill, no talent, no knowledge, just say "Show me a flower in a vase." What kind of "art" is that?

Well, to some it will be art.....
"Make it a green vase."
"Now add an accent reflection on the top left corner."

Could be a challenge?

"Here is my creation..."

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Nov 12, 2022 18:07:33   #
terryMc
 
stanikon wrote:
Anyone who thinks today's technology will still be in use 100 years from now is a fool. Today's SOTA cameras will be long ago turned to dust except for the few that survive in museums.

I'm sure that there were some who said of the now-ubiquitous digital cameras that talent was no longer needed since the camera did everything for the photographer except press the shutter button.


I'm sure that "some say" lots of things that are right, wrong or indifferent. It matters little what "some say." But I guess that in 100 years, when you want a picture of your new baby, you will put a "prompt" in the computer and without a lens, a shutter, any light, or the faintest idea of what your child actually looks like, it will display a totally accurate image of him. After all, cameras are only found now in museums...

Everyone I have had this discussion with to date has the same argument: "This is the same as the invention of the digital camera."

"Painters said that photography was not art."

How is is that you cannot see the dissimilarity in these "advances in technology? How can you not see that when you put words words into a computer which then manufactures an image for you, that you are not creating anything, it's all in the computer? You don't even know what it is going to come out until you see it, then you say "I created that. That is my art."

No, you did not.

When I take a camera out, even if I leave the settings on auto, I go to real place, analyze the light, determine a composition, record the scene, develop the images and (maybe) print them. I don't say to the computer "Go to Grand Canyon, get this picture in this light with this foreground, etc." and then say I created this image of the Grand Canyon. It's not the Grand Canyon, it's a fantasy, and you did nothing to make it appear as it is.

I'll bet that if you spoke to someone in the 16th century about air travel they would have thought you were delusional. The airplane was an advancement in technology, so does that mean that this AI is the same as the airplane, just another technological advance? Comparing (or contrasting) it to the invention of the camera is no less ridiculous, they are completely different things.

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Nov 12, 2022 18:11:03   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Hernando County Fl.
 
I didn’t post this to raise any hate and discontent. It’s something to think about, not attack or defend. It’s the way AI is progressing. Fact. Like Stan said, it can’t capture a granddaughter’s smile, but at the same time it can make a Caribbean sunset without being near the water, autumn leaves without being near a tree.

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