Second try at the Pano: Well, Jim-Pops convinced me that my efforts wouldn't fly (and he was SO right!) when I printed it large - and of course, I'd want to print it huge. So I started...

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

Well, Jim-Pops convinced me that my efforts wouldn't fly (and he was SO right!) when I printed it large - and of course, I'd want to print it huge. So I started over. Here's my revised attempt. I think it's better on the right side than before. Here's my previous attempt, if you want to compare them: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-756173-1.html.

Let me know what you think, please. And thanks, Jim-Pops!

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PoppieJ Loc: North Georgia

this is such a hard composition to put together as a pano. Just my opinion but, I think that if you want to print it you are going to have to do something to the shadows on the left side

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

PoppieJ wrote:

this is such a hard composition to put together as a pano. Just my opinion but, I think that if you want to print it you are going to have to do something to the shadows on the left side

I've been looking at them. I tried lifting them a bit, but that seemed to ruin the balance of the image and flatten it. So I left them as they were. That's the way it was when we were there. I've been there at other times of the day, and other times of the year, and there seem to always be shadows somewhere. One must simply choose where they are to be. What would you suggest?

Wallen Loc: Middle Earth

AzPicLady wrote:

I've been looking at them. I tried lifting them a bit, but that seemed to ruin the balance of the image and flatten it. So I left them as they were. That's the way it was when we were there. I've been there at other times of the day, and other times of the year, and there seem to always be shadows somewhere. One must simply choose where they are to be. What would you suggest?

Choose a cloudy day to act like a huge diffuser. You will have more even light and less harsh shadows but a little less contrast sharpness so lift the contrast in post.

If you can wait it out with the camera on a fixed position, a second photo with the sun out can be taken and the 2 images merged, allowing you to decide how much shadow you want.

PoppieJ Loc: North Georgia

AzPicLady wrote:

I've been looking at them. I tried lifting them a bit, but that seemed to ruin the balance of the image and flatten it. So I left them as they were. That's the way it was when we were there. I've been there at other times of the day, and other times of the year, and there seem to always be shadows somewhere. One must simply choose where they are to be. What would you suggest?

I think that I would try to do an HDR so that I could bring the shadows up without noise and keep the sky under control. It is a little more work and not always worth the effort but I think here it would make a difference

traderjohn Loc: New York City

AzPicLady wrote:

Well, Jim-Pops convinced me that my efforts wouldn't fly (and he was SO right!) when I printed it large - and of course, I'd want to print it huge. So I started over. Here's my revised attempt. I think it's better on the right side than before. Here's my previous attempt, if you want to compare them: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-756173-1.html.

Let me know what you think, please. And thanks, Jim-Pops!

It's very nice. My only comment would be the lower part of the picture should show more of the curve of the water flow. More foreground.

yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey

Beautiful image Kathy! Well done.

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

Wallen wrote:

Choose a cloudy day to act like a huge diffuser. You will have more even light and less harsh shadows but a little less contrast sharpness so lift the contrast in post.

If you can wait it out with the camera on a fixed position, a second photo with the sun out can be taken and the 2 images merged, allowing you to decide how much shadow you want.

Hummm. In Arizona, waiting for a cloudy day could be VERY time consuming! I'm working on lifting those shadows just a bit. But I have to admit, I like strong shadows, so it's going against my grain a bit. Thanks so much for weighing in on my attempt.

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

PoppieJ wrote:

I think that I would try to do an HDR so that I could bring the shadows up without noise and keep the sky under control. It is a little more work and not always worth the effort but I think here it would make a difference

You know, I've actually thought about doing that. Most of the HDR's I've done turned out badly. But I might try that. Thanks.

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

traderjohn wrote:

It's very nice. My only comment would be the lower part of the picture should show more of the curve of the water flow. More foreground.

Have you been there? There is no foreground! I have other images where I show the edge of the cliff at the bottom that sort of becomes "foreground." In the two images I merged, there was some, but when they got merged, LR did away with that section. Don't know why - it's one of those LR secrets, I guess. One of my painter friends says that I'm allowing the water to run out the bottom of the image. Thanks so much for the suggestion.

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

yssirk123 wrote:

Beautiful image Kathy! Well done.

Thank you, Bill. You are always so encouraging!

Jim-Pops Loc: Granbury, Texas

Big improvement. 👍

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

Jim-Pops wrote:

Big improvement. 👍

THANKS!

weberwest Loc: Ferndale WA

I am certainly no expert at panos, but here is my two bits worth: I like the right bottom foreground of your second attempt better, but for the upper part of the right hand side I prefer your first rendition: those ridges carry through very nicely and the horizon stays straight, while in the second attempt the ridges sort of wash out and the drop-off at the horizon right seems unnatural - but maybe that's the way it was. Good work in any case Kathy, and I rather like the dark shadows on the left.

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

weberwest wrote:

I am certainly no expert at panos, but here is my ... (show quote)

Thanks, Joe, for that detailed response. The ridges do sort of wash out, but I don't like how they took sort of a downturn. The washout is natural. The downturn isn't.I tried to fix that, but couldn't seem to do so. I'm on the fence about the shadow. That's how it WAS, and I always try to match what I saw instead of changing things. I do have a version where I brought the shadows up a bit, but I'm not sure I like it.