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Sep 29, 2022 10:55:10   #
Fred Frank Loc: Roanoke Alabama
 
What can Topaz Denoise do that I can't do with lightroom. Do I need both?

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Sep 29, 2022 10:57:01   #
fredpnm Loc: Corrales, NM
 
Get a trial version and decide for yourself.

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Sep 29, 2022 10:58:30   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
fredpnm wrote:
Get a trial version and decide for yourself.
That is not very helpful.

Much more useful if you include your experiences/opinion with the products.

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Sep 29, 2022 11:03:38   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
It seems this topic comes up almost weekly. My experience is that if your image is sharp and fairly clean, then all you need is Lightroom sharpen and Noise Reduction (Luminance). If your image is a bit more challenging then Topaz Sharpen AI or DeNoise AI are worth the money.

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Sep 29, 2022 11:13:13   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Fred Frank wrote:
What can Topaz Denoise do that I can't do with lightroom. Do I need both?

Every add-on does what LR or PS CC do. The only difference is the need for knowledge. Add-ons take your hand and appear to do a great job. The same thing can be done IF you learn how to use the original software.

The real differences? $$$ and time to learn.

Needless to say that I am not a fan of add-ons.

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Sep 29, 2022 12:11:22   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Exactly!!! Everything add-ons can do, one can do with Lr or Ps. Add-ons are the "lazy" route to accomplishment.
--Bob
Rongnongno wrote:
Every add-on does what LR or PS CC do. The only difference is the need for knowledge. Add-ons take your hand and appear to do a great job. The same thing can be done IF you learn how to use the original software.

The real differences? $$$ and time to learn.

Needless to say that I am not a fan of add-ons.

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Sep 29, 2022 12:31:22   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
My long habit is to ignore add "ons". Topaz Denoise is an exception. I bought it because I take

My primary camera is a small sensor mirrorless. A favorite lens is long and not very fast. The combination makes a compact, light weight wildlife rig. However, to get it to work well, I need to shoot at higher ISOs. That generates noise.

Lightroom and ACR are often good enough to improve the noise. Frequently I get better results with Denoise. Enough so that I spent real money on the last Topaz sale. That sale included the promise of the newest app, Photo AI, for no additional fee. Photo AI seems to streamline the workflow but I can't tell yet if it is better.

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Sep 29, 2022 13:59:15   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
I beg to differ Bob, I don't believe lazy necessarily has anything to do with it. Can I frame a house with a hammer and a hand saw? Yep, but why would I want to. Automating processes is a method of preserving valuable time for the important things. If some people enjoy the challenges of working in LR/PS then more power to them. I honor their skill and dedication as I do a Master Cabinet Maker who still cuts dove tails by hand. If others want to get the job done and move on to other things, then more power to them too.

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Sep 29, 2022 13:59:45   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Strodav wrote:
.....if your image is sharp and fairly clean, then all you need is Lightroom sharpen and Noise Reduction (Luminance). If your image is a bit more challenging then Topaz Sharpen AI or DeNoise AI are worth the money.


The OP doesn't say if he was referring to the AI version but your above comment sums up exactly where the strength of AI lies. Most basic sharpening and denoise tools are adequate for basic editing, but when the problems are more extreme, AI shows its worth and the basic tools show their limitations.

It seems to me that as a general rule most processing takes an image away from looking natural and regardless of how skilled you are in PP, the more processing you use, the more unnatural the look. That applies to AI and if you use AI when basic editing would have been sufficient, you will lose the natural look more so than if you'd used basic editing.

IMO that is one of the advantages that basic editing tools have over AI, and that is why I would recommend using AI tools only for extreme problems.

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Sep 29, 2022 14:12:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Fred Frank wrote:
What can Topaz Denoise do that I can't do with lightroom. Do I need both?


Are you fully leveraging LR, including the ideas presented in these two topics?

Basics of noise processing

Basics of Lightroom Sharpening

I have the old stand-alone version of Topaz DeNoise6. DeNoise6 can process my edited images from LR and does a noticeable improvement on the LR-processed images for noise, but really only when I need it at higher ISOs. Mostly, I just work entirely inside Lightroom, using the ideas above.

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Sep 29, 2022 14:17:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Curmudgeon, if you noticed my lazy was in quotes. That's because I couldn't think of a more appropriate word at the time. Some of these replies are done while at work. Sometimes, the computer processing gives me some limited time to post. Perhaps searching for an easier manner in which to accomplish the end result would have been a better expression.
--Bob
Curmudgeon wrote:
I beg to differ Bob, I don't believe lazy necessarily has anything to do with it. Can I frame a house with a hammer and a hand saw? Yep, but why would I want to. Automating processes is a method of preserving valuable time for the important things. If some people enjoy the challenges of working in LR/PS then more power to them. I honor their skill and dedication as I do a Master Cabinet Maker who still cuts dove tails by hand. If others want to get the job done and move on to other things, then more power to them too.
I beg to differ Bob, I don't believe lazy necessar... (show quote)

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Sep 29, 2022 14:51:39   #
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JD750 wrote:
That is not very helpful.

Much more useful if you include your experiences/opinion with the products.

Youve got that backwards.
Welcome to Hawgsterland.

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Sep 29, 2022 15:14:47   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
User ID wrote:
Youve got that backwards.
Welcome to Hawgsterland.

Ha!!

On UHH you get:
(1) Expert advice,
(2) Strong conflicting opinions,
(3) Completely wrong answers.

And it is up to the reader to sort them all out.

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Sep 29, 2022 15:56:24   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
R.G. wrote:

It seems to me that as a general rule most processing takes an image away from looking natural and regardless of how skilled you are in PP, the more processing you use, the more unnatural the look. That applies to AI and if you use AI when basic editing would have been sufficient, you will lose the natural look more so than if you'd used basic editing.



While many people use processing to get a different look - more saturation or contrast for example, it is also often used to make the scene look MORE like the eye saw it, especially in getting more highlight or shadow detail. These uses just don't call attention to themselves like the more aggressive processing does.

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Sep 29, 2022 16:01:05   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
...These uses just don't call attention to themselves....


You've found a different way to say what I meant. I believe you're saying that with good processing it doesn't look processed. I agree.

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