Canon screwing amateur photographers (Page 15): Nikon advanced to all electronic lenses in around 1990, but by then it was too late to make a difference. Canon had them beat by about 3...

therwol Loc: USA

Architect1776 wrote:

Pure genius and gave them the ability to replace Nikon as the pro choice with Nikon struggling to stay 3rd because of the stubbornness of admitting they made a mistake by sticking with the long obsolete F mount and mechanical couplings including AF.

Nikon advanced to all electronic lenses in around 1990, but by then it was too late to make a difference. Canon had them beat by about 3 years, enough time to cause most of the pros to switch.

They still sell lenses with the mechanical coupling, and some of their current DSLRs can use them. I can understand keeping the motor in the bodies for backward compatibility, but selling lenses using the obsolete technology in 2022 is questionable.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

gwilliams6 wrote:

Of course everyone knows Canon is doing this for t... (show quote)

That is why Canon makes money. Perhaps Nikon might try making money instead of falling further and further behind Canon, Sony and others.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

therwol wrote:

They still sell lenses with the mechanical coupling, and some of their current DSLRs can use them. I can understand keeping the motor in the bodies for backward compatibility, but selling lenses using the obsolete technology in 2022 is questionable.

There was a member here several years ago who, in a single purchase, got a lens which needed a motor in the body and a inexpensive Nikon body which had no motor. He was very frustrated when he was told that two of them would not work together.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

HAHAHAHA

Are the UHH community really going to fall for the oft-repeated negative assessment from the Sony Troll, or someone really in the business, like Jared Polin???

Jared's recent thoughts start at 1:24, where this link starts too.

https://youtu.be/UEPBi7fpQnc?t=84

And again, who is "Viltrox"? Does the Sony Troll have one? What focal lengths? Since he's always littering onto the various UHH threads, he must have some examples to post, right?

BebuLamar

therwol wrote:

Nikon advanced to all electronic lenses in around 1990, but by then it was too late to make a difference. Canon had them beat by about 3 years, enough time to cause most of the pros to switch.

They still sell lenses with the mechanical coupling, and some of their current DSLRs can use them. I can understand keeping the motor in the bodies for backward compatibility, but selling lenses using the obsolete technology in 2022 is questionable.

1990???? It's 2016 when they introduced the E type lenses. Before that all Nikon lens aperture is move via a mechanical coupling. There is such a coupling and a motor in the FTZ adapter so that it would work with non E type lens. As the result there is no more room for the AF motor.

therwol Loc: USA

BebuLamar wrote:

1990???? It's 2016 when they introduced the E type lenses. Before that all Nikon lens aperture is move via a mechanical coupling. There is such a coupling and a motor in the FTZ adapter so that it would work with non E type lens. As the result there is no more room for the AF motor.

My bad, though you could argue that the G lenses (2000) are controlled electronically while a lever on the camera is still needed to close the diaphragm. But the stopping point is still controlled electronically.

gwilliams6

Architect1776 wrote:

That is why Canon makes money. Perhaps Nikon might try making money instead of falling further and further behind Canon, Sony and others.

Sony made an even greater percentage profit than Canon last year (check the CIPA reports), and Sony has opened up its E-mount, making it the most widely produced and used mirrorless lens mount in the world with nearly 200 E-mount lenses from Sony and third party makers like Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Yongnuo, Viltrox, Zeiss, Meike and others, with more new E-mount lenses coming from all these brands every month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_Sony_E-mount_lenses

And Sony leads in mirrorless sales Worldwide (check CIPA) not Canon, enough said.

Canon should take a lesson from Sony here. Nikon is smart and is starting to do the same as Sony. Canon always finds a way to cripple its cameras, this is another classic example.

Canon folks love to tout its success, but cant see when Canon makes another dumb move and applies the legendary Canon cripple hammer to itself, again. The reality, playing out right now.

Cheers and best to you.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

CHG_CANON wrote:

HAHAHAHA

Are the UHH community really going to fall for the oft-repeated negative assessment from the Sony Troll, or someone really in the business, like Jared Polin???

Jared's recent thoughts start at 1:24, where this link starts too.

https://youtu.be/UEPBi7fpQnc?t=84

And again, who is "Viltrox"? Does the Sony Troll have one? What focal lengths? Since he's always littering onto the various UHH threads, he must have some examples to post, right?

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

gwilliams6 wrote:

Sony made an even greater percentage profit than ... (show quote)

Canon leads the world by a huge margin in camera sales.
Sony in niche sales that is rapidly eroding.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

gwilliams6 wrote:

Of course everyone knows Canon is doing this for t... (show quote)

"Of course everyone knows Canon is doing this for the money"
What an idiotic statement. Yes, Canon is in the business to make money. Most businesses are in the business they are in, to make money. When another company steals newly patented technology and markets inferior quality knockoffs, the right thing to do is to stop them. If they, Viltrox, want to buy licensing rights from Canon, like other companies like Sigma and Tamron do, then wait until Canon is ready to do so, like Sigma and Tamron are doing.
As for the nothing else part, not exactly accurate. Poorly manufactured knockoffs have been known to damage people's equipment and Canon is not only trying to protect Canon, but also Canon users.
Like I previously stated, why do people think it's a good idea to mount knockoff lenses of questionable quality on their expensive Canon camera bodies?

gwilliams6

Architect1776 wrote:

Canon leads the world by a huge margin in camera sales.
Sony in niche sales that is rapidly eroding.

Another fake news. I said Sony lead in mirrorless sales and that is a fact. You aren't reading carefully.

And Sony sales and market share are growing. You have NEVER even looked at the CIPA numbers that is clear. You prefer to keep your eyes closed and head buried in the sand, than face reality.

You are making yourself look irrelevant here, except to other diehard Canon fans who also wont face the reality of the market implications of Canon's move. Do better research instead of just shooting from the hip, if you can, LOL

I dont ever expect you to embrace the reality about this dumb move by Canon, even with voices from around the world showing you it has already affected Canon users, and potential Canon users.

So this is for other UHHers who believe in the truth being shared, not for you.

Another respected voice from the UK has his take on all this.

David McKeegan: What does the future of RF look like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbRkWBhFhcU

Cheers and the best to you all.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

gwilliams6 wrote:

Another fake news. I said Sony lead in mirrorless sales and that is a fact. You aren't reading carefully.

And Sony sales and market share are growing. You have NEVER even looked at the CIPA numbers that is clear. You prefer to keep your eyes closed and head buried in the sand, than face reality

“The world” covers MILC, DSLR, and other sales. Canon probably still does well in EF sales, which you must include.

ricardo00

"Apple Says Over 3 Trillion Photos Were Taken on iPhone Last Year" Can Canon, Sony or Nikon match that?

gwilliams6

rehess wrote:

“The world” covers MILC, DSLR, and other sales. Canon probably still does well in EF sales, which you must include.

No, when I am specifically talking about mirrorless sales , I am ONLY talking about mirrorless sales which Sony leads worldwide. Even CIPA categorizes between mirrorless sales and other sales. How hard is that to grasp.

Another Canon Voice from a country other than the USA, about this decision:

Mark Bennett's Camera Crisis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVAAfdo4NnQ

Cheers and best to you all.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

gwilliams6 wrote:

No, when I am specifically talking about mirrorless sales , I am ONLY talking about mirrorless sales which Sony leads worldwide. Even CIPA categorizes between mirrorless sales and other sales. How hard is that to grasp.

Another Canon Voice from a country other than the USA, about this decision:

Mark Bennett's Camera Crisis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVAAfdo4NnQ

Cheers and best to you all.

I’m sure Canon includes EOS-EF and EOS-R sales when calculating “world wide” sales. That is simple.

I will not discuss this further. I am certain it is important to neither Canon nor most current Canon users; perhaps some users will leave Canon because of it. I know some users left Canon because of the way they “abandoned” the FD-mount, but that was the right decision. Their transition to the EOS-R mount from the EOS-EF mount was very smooth, compared to Nikon, who still cannot provide auto focusing for their ‘screw-drive’ F-mount lenses from their Z-mount cameras.