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Sep 4, 2022 14:32:40   #
gouldopfl
 
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. I am not a professional and have been brand loyal. This past week Canon told Vitrox to quit making RF lenses and Tamron has made the decision to not make any RF lenses and I suspect that Sigma will follow suit. In my opinion, this is Canon creating a monopoly. I don't like being told what I can and can buy. I have the EOS R and was waiting for the EOS R update. One reason I stayed with Canon is that I love the articulating screen. I don't want to give this up. What other cameras also have fully articulating screens?

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Sep 4, 2022 14:37:34   #
AzatVi Loc: AZ
 
Canon doesn’t care or appreciate your brand loyalty, time to move on.

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Sep 4, 2022 14:50:49   #
ricardo00
 
Yep, it is something the big companies are always trying. Generally it backfires, especially in the current climate where many companies are having a hard time filling the orders for their own stuff. But just be aware that Nikon, etc are all periodically making it hard for third parties to make equipment that works on their own products. So Canon is not alone in this.

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Sep 4, 2022 14:57:47   #
gouldopfl
 
I just read that Nikon has released a open standard and that is why Tamron is going to make Z lenses and I suppose that Sigma will also. I was really surprised that Canon would take this extreme measure because of the very limited market now. Canon RF lenses are overly expensive. I have some good EF glass, but since the RF glass is so expensive, I have held off. I do not want to support a company that is keeping the prices so high.

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Sep 4, 2022 14:57:56   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I've never understood the desire to put third-party glass on a top-of-the-line camera. I believe the Nikon D850 has an articulating screen.
--Bob

gouldopfl wrote:
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. I am not a professional and have been brand loyal. This past week Canon told Vitrox to quit making RF lenses and Tamron has made the decision to not make any RF lenses and I suspect that Sigma will follow suit. In my opinion, this is Canon creating a monopoly. I don't like being told what I can and can buy. I have the EOS R and was waiting for the EOS R update. One reason I stayed with Canon is that I love the articulating screen. I don't want to give this up. What other cameras also have fully articulating screens?
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. ... (show quote)

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Sep 4, 2022 15:02:31   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. I am not a professional and have been brand loyal. This past week Canon told Vitrox to quit making RF lenses and Tamron has made the decision to not make any RF lenses and I suspect that Sigma will follow suit. In my opinion, this is Canon creating a monopoly. I don't like being told what I can and can buy. I have the EOS R and was waiting for the EOS R update. One reason I stayed with Canon is that I love the articulating screen. I don't want to give this up. What other cameras also have fully articulating screens?
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. ... (show quote)


Let's say you spend many, many millions of dollars developing and designing a new camera mount and system and some other company came along and basically copied your design and started marketing products to your customers, the same products your company needs to sell to make up for the cost of designing and producing the new products. Would you do what you could to stop stop them, at least for a while? If Canon can't contain the knock off market at least until they have recouped their investment in the new EOS R system, they will be forced to increase prices. Canon isn't trying to stop Viltrox from manufacturing adapters, they are trying to stop them from making lenses that are reverse engineered. Canon spends the money developing and designing their RF series lenses and companies like Viltrox just steal the design and market their own products. I have nothing against Viltrox, I own several Viltrox adapters, including two EF to RF adapters. I understand why Canon is doing what they are. In protest, I will shoot my D850 today, along with my R7 and it's Viltrox adapted EF lens.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:14:48   #
ncribble Loc: Elephant Butte, NM
 
Hold it Fellows, Vitrox is a Chinese company and I assume at one time made products for Canon. The manufacturing industry is faced with an onslaught of products manufactured with the intellectual rights of the original manufacture. It is so bad that in 2020 Japan helped their companies with tax consideration and incentives to pull their manufacturing back to Japan and to neutral countries. China's industries are not only stealing intellectual rights, but then manufacturing copied products and sending their copies into the market place challenging the original manufacturers products. Buy what you feel comfortable with, but I chose not to purchase Chinese products for the sake of a few $$.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:18:43   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
You can now use your discontinued Canon FD lenses on your EOS mirrorless cameras. Honestly, what are you crying about?

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Sep 4, 2022 15:23:25   #
BebuLamar
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. I am not a professional and have been brand loyal. This past week Canon told Vitrox to quit making RF lenses and Tamron has made the decision to not make any RF lenses and I suspect that Sigma will follow suit. In my opinion, this is Canon creating a monopoly. I don't like being told what I can and can buy. I have the EOS R and was waiting for the EOS R update. One reason I stayed with Canon is that I love the articulating screen. I don't want to give this up. What other cameras also have fully articulating screens?
I have been shooting Canon cameras since the AE1. ... (show quote)


They didn't tell you anything. All manufacturers want people buy their brand but it's up to you to buy. Which brands of lenses did you buy for your AE1? I am a Nikon user but I must say that I admire Canon for making most of their cameras in Japan still. I am an amateur and I have never bought any third party lenses. I see no reason for that.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:24:37   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
People pretend not to like grapes when the vines are too high for them to reach.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:31:21   #
gouldopfl
 
I am not a professional. I have had Canon EF L glass and found that both Sigma Art series and Tamron glass in certain cases are just as good for amateurs. I don't pixel peep nor do I have the desire. I can take pretty good shots out of camera but I do some post process edits to correct some shots. I used to use LR/PS to make edits, but at 65 I don't want to spend that much time. I now use Luminar AI and Neo because I can get good results without a lot of time.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:31:47   #
ricardo00
 
BebuLamar wrote:
They didn't tell you anything. All manufacturers want people buy their brand but it's up to you to buy. Which brands of lenses did you buy for your AE1? I am a Nikon user but I must say that I admire Canon for making most of their cameras in Japan still. I am an amateur and I have never bought any third party lenses. I see no reason for that.


I too am a Nikon user but have bought a couple of third party lenses since Nikon did not have anything comparable. And now they don't work on my Z9. I knew that was a risk going in but still would have made the decision to buy them and, if I need to, can use them on my Nikon DSLR which I still have (and use as a backup camera anyway). Considering how few Nikon (and Canon) lenses have been made for their mirrorless cameras, it works out if third party lenses are available for these other products.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:39:41   #
gouldopfl
 
I fully understand your reasoning. I owned a software development company designing and writing for the logistics industry. There were not a lot of vendors then and we commanded big dollars. That isn't the case anymore and it isn't as lucrative a business. The camera industry is barely alive compared to 10 years ago and it is a finite group of potential customers. With Canon's RF lens policy, Canon will be losing beginners because of the high prices of RF glass. Amateurs are more likely to be brand loyal if their first camera works well, where professionals are more likely to switch if another system is superior and it makes life easier.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:39:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
gouldopfl wrote:
I am not a professional. I have had Canon EF L glass and found that both Sigma Art series and Tamron glass in certain cases are just as good for amateurs. I don't pixel peep nor do I have the desire. I can take pretty good shots out of camera but I do some post process edits to correct some shots. I used to use LR/PS to make edits, but at 65 I don't want to spend that much time. I now use Luminar AI and Neo because I can get good results without a lot of time.


All your Canon EF lenses are fully operational on your mirrorless EOS bodies. Most of the third-party EF-mounts should work as well, but that has to be verified case by case. Granted, the RF lenses are overall better and don't have the added size & weight of the adapter. But still, you're not forced to buy RF lenses to use EOS mirrorless digital bodies.

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Sep 4, 2022 15:43:21   #
gouldopfl
 
I use my EF glass and are happy with it but I was looking for a lens in the 18-135 range so I don't have to carry my 15-30 and 24-70 with a little extra range.

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