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Aug 4, 2022 09:25:29   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
If you haven't heard of the Framework laptop, it's worth a look. It's been called the anti-MacBook because every component is replaceable, easily and quickly. There's a lot online about them.

https://frame.work/#laptop-configuration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsVYM12O4CU

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=framework+laptop

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Aug 4, 2022 10:31:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
If you haven't heard of the Framework laptop, it's worth a look. It's been called the anti-MacBook because every component is replaceable, easily and quickly. There's a lot online about them.

https://frame.work/#laptop-configuration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsVYM12O4CU

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=framework+laptop


It has a certain appeal, especially for tinkerers. If I needed a Windows laptop for some piece of software I can't run on MacOS... Maybe.

But does it run MacOS on Apple Silicon? Today, that is the number one reason to buy a Mac. They ditched Intel and x86. All the replaceable/customizable flexibility doesn't count if you can't get work done without the OS and multi-vendor hardware conflicts getting in the way.

Framework is not Dell or HP or Lenovo. They're relative newcomers with an idea and venture capital support. Maybe they'll make it. But I doubt Apple is worried.

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Aug 4, 2022 21:31:19   #
Just Shoot Me Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
Wozniak is reportedly selling all his stock!🤣

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Aug 4, 2022 22:06:36   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Just Shoot Me wrote:
Wozniak is reportedly selling all his stock!🤣


Well, he's getting up there in age, and is probably thinking about where to do some good in the world before he croaks.

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Aug 5, 2022 07:17:24   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
burkphoto wrote:
Well, he's getting up there in age, and is probably thinking about where to do some good in the world before he croaks.

"In November 2019 Woz revealed that he had given the vast majority of his wealth to charity, presumably hundreds of millions of dollars. He explained:

"I never wanted to be rich so I gave my wealth away… I support my family by speaking. I've done well and we can afford to live here but are not super-rich. I care more about justice and equality than money."
He like most people in that environment does not wait until they croak

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Aug 5, 2022 08:03:46   #
cdayton
 
Like the oil barons of yore, they hope to atone through charity after living a life of profligacy.

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Aug 5, 2022 08:52:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
traderjohn wrote:
"In November 2019 Woz revealed that he had given the vast majority of his wealth to charity, presumably hundreds of millions of dollars. He explained:

"I never wanted to be rich so I gave my wealth away… I support my family by speaking. I've done well and we can afford to live here but are not super-rich. I care more about justice and equality than money."
He like most people in that environment does not wait until they croak


Not surprising. Good for him. He threw MASSIVE Woodstock-like concerts (US Festivals) in 1982 and 1983 that just spread joy to hundreds of thousands of people.

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Aug 5, 2022 09:33:54   #
BurghByrd
 
burkphoto wrote:
It has a certain appeal, especially for tinkerers. If I needed a Windows laptop for some piece of software I can't run on MacOS... Maybe.

But does it run MacOS on Apple Silicon? Today, that is the number one reason to buy a Mac. They ditched Intel and x86. All the replaceable/customizable flexibility doesn't count if you can't get work done without the OS and multi-vendor hardware conflicts getting in the way.

Framework is not Dell or HP or Lenovo. They're relative newcomers with an idea and venture capital support. Maybe they'll make it. But I doubt Apple is worried.
It has a certain appeal, especially for tinkerers.... (show quote)


I just replaced an Intel based MacBook with an M1. I had previously used Parallels on the Intel MacBook to create a virtual Windows OS on the Mac OS and had no problems what so ever. Parallels claimed that they had adapted their product to run on the M1 chip but my experience has been disappointing. It will load and create the Windows environment but there a several compatibility problems with the Windows software running on the virtual machine. Parallels claims that the problem has to do with software trying to directly access instructions native to the Intel architecture that aren't available in the RISC architecture of the M1 system. I ended up also keeping my old machine in order to have access to three third party applications only available for Windows (no Mac versions); this cost me the trade-in value of the old MacBook. Fortunately I don't need those apps often.

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Aug 5, 2022 10:11:10   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Just Shoot Me wrote:
Wozniak is reportedly selling all his stock!🤣


Yeah, he needs the money.

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Aug 5, 2022 11:23:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BurghByrd wrote:
I just replaced an Intel based MacBook with an M1. I had previously used Parallels on the Intel MacBook to create a virtual Windows OS on the Mac OS and had no problems what so ever. Parallels claimed that they had adapted their product to run on the M1 chip but my experience has been disappointing. It will load and create the Windows environment but there a several compatibility problems with the Windows software running on the virtual machine. Parallels claims that the problem has to do with software trying to directly access instructions native to the Intel architecture that aren't available in the RISC architecture of the M1 system. I ended up also keeping my old machine in order to have access to three third party applications only available for Windows (no Mac versions); this cost me the trade-in value of the old MacBook. Fortunately I don't need those apps often.
I just replaced an Intel based MacBook with an M1.... (show quote)


Yes, that part of the transition has been rocky. But Microsoft is headed to ARM with their OS, and Apple has said it is up to MS whether or not Windows for ARM will run on Apple Silicon. If MS makes a similar migration, maybe they will allow Mac users to run Windows natively on Apple silicon SOCs.

I have an old iMac that will run Windows when needed. I have a 1999 PowerMac G4 that runs Mac OS 9.2.2 and up to Mac OS X 10.4.11, and a Mac mini from 2010 that runs 10.6 through 10.12. So I can run almost all the software I bought since 1995. I do keep those Macs off the Internet.

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Aug 5, 2022 14:01:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yes, that part of the transition has been rocky. But Microsoft is headed to ARM with their OS, and Apple has said it is up to MS whether or not Windows for ARM will run on Apple Silicon. If MS makes a similar migration, maybe they will allow Mac users to run Windows natively on Apple silicon SOCs.

I have an old iMac that will run Windows when needed. I have a 1999 PowerMac G4 that runs Mac OS 9.2.2 and up to Mac OS X 10.4.11, and a Mac mini from 2010 that runs 10.6 through 10.12. So I can run almost all the software I bought since 1995. I do keep those Macs off the Internet.
Yes, that part of the transition has been rocky. B... (show quote)


They could have come up with a better term than "Advanced RISC Machine." People usually want to reduce risk. I know "RISC" is not the same as "risk," but it sounds strange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture_family

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Aug 5, 2022 14:09:54   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
They could have come up with a better term than "Advanced RISC Machine." People usually want to reduce risk. I know "RISC" is not the same as "risk," but it sounds strange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture_family


Reduced Instruction Set Computer is a bit of a mouthful. It uses a lot less power, though!

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Aug 5, 2022 14:19:56   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
Reduced Instruction Set Computer is a bit of a mouthful. It uses a lot less power, though!


Using less power is good.

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Aug 6, 2022 14:22:47   #
Old Coot
 
BurghByrd wrote:
I just replaced an Intel based MacBook with an M1. I had previously used Parallels on the Intel MacBook to create a virtual Windows OS on the Mac OS and had no problems what so ever. Parallels claimed that they had adapted their product to run on the M1 chip but my experience has been disappointing. It will load and create the Windows environment but there a several compatibility problems with the Windows software running on the virtual machine. Parallels claims that the problem has to do with software trying to directly access instructions native to the Intel architecture that aren't available in the RISC architecture of the M1 system. I ended up also keeping my old machine in order to have access to three third party applications only available for Windows (no Mac versions); this cost me the trade-in value of the old MacBook. Fortunately I don't need those apps often.
I just replaced an Intel based MacBook with an M1.... (show quote)


Have you tried "Bootcamp from Apple". You partition the HD and decide how much space you need for each system.On start up, hold the option key and you will have the choice to start in Windows or Mac OS.

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Aug 6, 2022 14:39:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Old Coot wrote:
Have you tried "Bootcamp from Apple". You partition the HD and decide how much space you need for each system.On start up, hold the option key and you will have the choice to start in Windows or Mac OS.


BootCamp works ONLY on Intel Macs. It cannot be used on M1 or M2 Macs.

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