SteveR Loc: Michigan

I have only one question. If you were a police officer, once a suspect had shown he had a gun by shooting at you, once he left his car would you wait for him to shoot again to make sure he still had a gun? I wouldn't.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

If the dude had NOT stupidly evaded, refused to stop, not fired at officers and not run, it is likely he would NOT have been shot!

Sixty “hits” with more than ninety rounds fired does seem a bit, Ah, Err, Uhm: “overk**l”.


Moral: Don't shoot at police. Don’t run. — And don’t die.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Neither would I. And neither would most officers.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

I think once they shoot, they empty their guns. Multiply that by eight and I'm not surprised he got hit 60 times.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Eight officers, each with 15 to 17 available rounds (without reloads) equals potentially 120 to 136 rounds could have been fired.

Initial reports state 90 rounds were fired by officers, 60 of which struck the perpetrator.

That is a 66% hit-ratio. Which is probably very good for firing while pursuing a (assumed armed) individual.

The entire situation seems like a strange “suicide-by-cop” happenstance.

pendennis

Police are taught to continue shooting until the threat ceases. We were taught the same in self-defense classes. One never "shoots to k**l". Aim for, and hit, center mass, and continue until the perpetrator/aggressor stops.

Most folks think that a single shot to the heart is enough to k**l (too much TV). A heart takes time to pump out blood into the diaphragm, unless the heart catastrophically stops beating.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

IMMEDIATE Elimination of a threat is the best possible outcome if armed or destructive individuals are encountered. And that is precisely why head shots are so effective.

Especially if the medulla oblongata is destroyed: instantaneously nerve impulses to the rest of the body are interrupted.

SOURCE: https://www.thoughtco.com/medulla-oblongata-anatomy-373222

“The medulla oblongata is involved in several functions of the body relating to the regulation of important sensory, motor, and mental processes, including:

Autonomic function control
Relay of nerve signals between the brain and spinal cord
Coordination of body movements
Mood regulation

Above all else, the medulla is the control center for cardiovascular and respiratory system activity. It regulates heart rate, blood pressure, respiratory rate, and other life-sustaining processes that take place without a person having to actively think about them. The medulla also controls involuntary reflexes such as swallowing, sneezing, and gagging. Another major function is the coordination of voluntary actions such as eye movement.

A number of cranial nerve nuclei are located in the medulla. Some of these nerves are important for speech, head and shoulder movement, and food digestion. The medulla also aids in the t***sfer of sensory information between the peripheral nervous system and the central nervous system. It relays sensory information to the thalamus and from there is sent to the cerebral cortex.”

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Just how dangerous to you is someone running away from you?

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Even running away, he could still be a threat if he has a gun. Simply reaching back or spinning around would make you a possible target.
I do, however, have an issue with him being shot 60 times. That's excessive by anyone's standards.
Let's wait and see what the investigation shows.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Dangerous enough, if they have a weapon that may be pointed and used at any time.

Akron police released body camera video Sunday of a deadly encounter between officers and Jayland Walker.

Akron Police Chief Steve Mylett said it appears that Jayland Walker reached toward his waist during a foot chase with police and briefly turned toward officers before they opened fire Monday morning.

In this particular instance it turned out the individual was NOT in possession of a weapon.

Why did the suspect attempt to elude officers initially?
Was a weapon fired at pursuing officers?
Why was the guy running from officers at all?
Were lighting conditions such that officers could clearly see all of the deceased’s actions?

Eight officers. ~90 shots. 60 hits.

I am amazed there was not damage to other officers or individuals/property.

One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID

If some dumb bastard shoots at me and does not hit me it's on him , won't give him a " fair " chance for another shot. Drop that sack of s**t by wh**ever means it takes , as much as it takes until he is not moving.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

I watched a slowed down version of the video and think it was a suicide by cop. In this video you can see that Walker was wearing a full face mask on exiting the car and a few seconds into the chase he is seen stopping and turning into what appears to be a shooting position which resulted in eight officers making the same decision that he was armed and about to fire his weapon. By the way, his mask and clothing gave no indication of his race or color.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Thank you for the analysis and comments. It certainly seems this may be a “sewercide-by-Cop” instance.

All the dude had to do was STOP.

pendennis

A head shot might be the best solution, but only if you have a long gun, can shoot from a rested position, and the subject is not moving. The shooter must have a slow heart rate, excellent trigger control, and a host of other assets needed to make the k**l shot. In other words, a sniper. To penetrate the medulla oblongata, one must generally shoot the target from behind, and slightly above the target.

Compare and contrast that scenario to that of a police officer who is in foot or auto pursuit. The officer likely has a pulse rate which is at, or above, 180bpm, and is attempting a 360º threat assessment, relative position of other officers, civilians, etc. He/She also has obtained tunnel vision, likely closing out sensory input from outside the line of sight. Add to that, he/she is trying to steady a (likely) Glock 17 with a short barrel and even shorter sight radius.

A high velocity 9mm hollow point projectile in the 120-130gr class is a good stopper. While not the same stopping power of the .40 S&W 180mm JHP, or the .357 Magnum 158gr JHP, it will do the job with good shot placement.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Always aim for the largest target, center body, that will slow him down quickly enough.