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Jul 1, 2022 23:55:33   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850 as I started doing outdoor photography, panoramas, and such, and thought having the d850 would be good for that. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to get into the Nikon Z ecosystem as I have loads of glass that will work with it. I also shoot people and would like a better focusing system to track them. I know there are better ecosystems out there as far as focusing...but, again, I am heavily invested in Nikon.

Question: Aside from the megabyte count, is there all that much difference between the Z6ii and the Z7ii?

Thank you all.

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Jul 2, 2022 00:33:12   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Between us ALL Cameras are full frame...Z7 is in par with the D850. That one is already a great camera, even if some complain it is getting old. The Z6 is a step-down. Z7... D850? Same quality.

I recommended a Z7 to a friend who wanted a mirrorless camera.

Now he swears by it.

Please note that you will need an adapter for your glass. It might not work with all that you have already.

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Jul 2, 2022 00:39:08   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Badgertale wrote:
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850 as I started doing outdoor photography, panoramas, and such, and thought having the d850 would be good for that. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to get into the Nikon Z ecosystem as I have loads of glass that will work with it. I also shoot people and would like a better focusing system to track them. I know there are better ecosystems out there as far as focusing...but, again, I am heavily invested in Nikon.

Question: Aside from the megabyte count, is there all that much difference between the Z6ii and the Z7ii?

Thank you all.
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850... (show quote)


There's a whole discussion that we could have around your question. I've been shooting a D850 for about four years. I love it, and the only equipment change I've seriously considered in the last two years is about buying a second one while they were on sale.

But...after discovering that 46 Mp is sometimes just complete overkill, I bought a D500 about four months after getting my D850. I don't shoot birds, sports, or wildlife, but have found the D500 to be a more appropriate choice for a lot of what I do. This was so true that I bought a second one a few months later. These cameras shoot identically. Moving from one to another is completely transparent, and I'll never get rid of any of them while I'm alive and shooting. We can discuss the resolution issue in more detail if you wish, and I can explain more of my thinking arpund resolution choices.

All this to say that in my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with your thinking. But you might want to give some thought and trial to how either the Z6 or Z7 will work for you alongside your D850. Despite what has been written about the Z7 being a D850 equivalent, it is not, other than the resolution. The user interface of both the Z6 and Z7 is very much like your D700 and very much unlike your D850. This may or may not be an issue with you, but my suggestion is that you give it some serious consideration. (The Z9 does mirror the operation of the D850 quite closely.)

My impression is that the Z6 family is optimized for video, while the Z7 is optimized for still photography, but with pretty good video. Just look critically and shop carefully, especially if you have come to really like your D850.

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Jul 2, 2022 05:17:20   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Badgertale wrote:
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850 as I started doing outdoor photography, panoramas, and such, and thought having the d850 would be good for that. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to get into the Nikon Z ecosystem as I have loads of glass that will work with it. I also shoot people and would like a better focusing system to track them. I know there are better ecosystems out there as far as focusing...but, again, I am heavily invested in Nikon.

Question: Aside from the megabyte count, is there all that much difference between the Z6ii and the Z7ii?

Thank you all.
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850... (show quote)


As far as focusing speed goes, when I used my D850 for wildlife and birds in flight, it was on par with my current Sony a9. And I am talking about eye focus, I used GROUP AUTO FOCUS on my D850 and my keep rate was at least 98%. I used the Nikon 70-200 2.8 FL lens when shooting on the street, and again, I hardly ever missed a shot.
Look, you have, in my opinion, the best DSLR ever produced.
If your happy with what you are getting, by all means keep it, if your not getting results, then it may not be the camera, and the Z7 or Z7II will not change what you are currently getting.
Below are some street parade grab shots with the D850 and 70-200.
Again, if your not getting what you want now, maybe it's time to look inside you instead of looking at a Z, and start concentrating on technique.









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Jul 2, 2022 07:52:34   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Badgertale wrote:
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850 as I started doing outdoor photography, panoramas, and such, and thought having the d850 would be good for that. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to get into the Nikon Z ecosystem as I have loads of glass that will work with it. I also shoot people and would like a better focusing system to track them. I know there are better ecosystems out there as far as focusing...but, again, I am heavily invested in Nikon.

Question: Aside from the megabyte count, is there all that much difference between the Z6ii and the Z7ii?

Thank you all.
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850... (show quote)


I don't understand your concerns about the D850? Is it the size? The pixel / file size of the images? What do you want to achieve by changing?

The Z bodies differ from DSLRs in many ways, but mostly just not having a mirror inside the body. Others have already noted the Z7II is just an D850 without a mirror, at the exact same 45MP. The Z6II is the 24MP full-frame version.

My point is: your images are really not going to change, especially if continuing to use the same legacy F-mount lenses on the mirrorless body. Is this really just a GAS issue, especially when considering giving up Nikon's final and best full-frame DSLR?

To the original question of 'why': do you want different image results or a different shooting process? Changing to mirrorless will change the process, being universally better. The images get better when you change the glass, not removing the mirror.

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Jul 2, 2022 08:08:26   #
BurghByrd Loc: Pittsburgh
 
[quote=Badgertale]I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850 as I started doing outdoor photography, panoramas, and such, and thought having the d850 would be good for that. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to get into the Nikon Z ecosystem as I have loads of glass that will work with it. I also shoot people and would like a better focusing system to track them. I know there are better ecosystems out there as far as focusing...but, again, I am heavily invested in Nikon.

Question: Aside from the megabyte count, is there all that much difference between the Z6ii and the Z7ii?

Thank you all.[/quote

I think the linked article will answer your question:

https://photographylife.com/nikon-z6-ii-vs-z7-ii

I'll add the following FYI. I think you will find the image quality of the Z7II on par with or better than the D850 using the F mount glass and in my opinion better if using the S grade Z lenses although that is not said to impugn the D850 used with a quality lens. You will find the F mount lenses to operate acceptably unless they are D series or older which will not auto focus, the G series and newer will autofocus OK using the FTZ adapter. Lastly, you will be using a menu system more to adjust settings; that can be a little frustrating at first particularly with auto focus mode. That's true for any new system, we humans don't like having the rules changed once we've mastered the game. Overall I think you'll grow to really like the new system, it has several improvements even compared to the venerable D850 which I've used and continue to hold on to although use infrequently now.

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Jul 2, 2022 08:34:44   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
I shoot the same kind of images you, and moved from a Nikon D800E to a Z7ii. The transition was painless. One of the biggest benefits is using Z glass which is superior to the older F mount glass.

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Jul 2, 2022 09:17:18   #
doclrb
 
Badgertale wrote:
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850 as I started doing outdoor photography, panoramas, and such, and thought having the d850 would be good for that. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to get into the Nikon Z ecosystem as I have loads of glass that will work with it. I also shoot people and would like a better focusing system to track them. I know there are better ecosystems out there as far as focusing...but, again, I am heavily invested in Nikon.

Question: Aside from the megabyte count, is there all that much difference between the Z6ii and the Z7ii?

Thank you all.
I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850... (show quote)


This review may be helpful.

https://photographylife.com/nikon-z6-ii-vs-z7-ii/amp

doclrb

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Jul 2, 2022 15:50:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
A lot of responses but nobody answered your questions. I have the Z7 and I love those big raw files but I shoot a lot of stuff that requires cropping, even with a long lens. Unless you’re doing heavy cropping or printing really large prints the Z6II will be more than adequate. While I agree that getting a new mirrorless will make no difference in IQ I also understand your reasoning. Yes as some have said the D850 has slightly faster AF if you’re shooting action but the eye focus on the Z cameras is a definite advantage if you’re shooting people.

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Jul 2, 2022 16:14:14   #
doclrb
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
A lot of responses but nobody answered your questions. I have the Z7 and I love those big raw files but I shoot a lot of stuff that requires cropping, even with a long lens. Unless you’re doing heavy cropping or printing really large prints the Z6II will be more than adequate. While I agree that getting a new mirrorless will make no difference in IQ I also understand your reasoning. Yes as some have said the D850 has slightly faster AF if you’re shooting action but the eye focus on the Z cameras is a definite advantage if you’re shooting people.
A lot of responses but nobody answered your questi... (show quote)


I agree with your opening statement and overall opinion. The review I cited supports your conclusion. Also, the ~1K$ savings is my internal down payment on a Z9, if one ever becomes available to purchase.

And TY for one the few non-antagonist posts I’ve seen in this forum in the past week.

doclrb

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Jul 2, 2022 19:16:09   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
I purchased the d500 a 20.9 mp DX camera and was sometimes disappointed with the shots taken with the 18 to 300 that purchased years before when I had the d5000 a 12.5 mp dx camera. The lens was always OK with the small pixel camera, but sometimes soft with the higher pixel camera. I still use the D500 but not very often.

The d700 is a 12.1 mp camera and does not need great glass.

My guess is the lenses you have are not good enough for the d850 to shine. I had the 28 to 300 FX zoom and the camera produced shots that were under whelming. I have read articles by professionals that say the same. I returned the 28 to 300 lens and bought the 2.8 24 to 70 and the f2.8 70 to 200 lenses. Both are heavy and expensive and produce tack sharp shots all the time I take the time to set the shots up correctly.

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Jul 2, 2022 20:20:26   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
Thank you to everyone. I love my D850, D500, and D700! You all had great opinions and further questions to ask myself in the coming months. I may contact some of you privately to discuss this further.

Have a great 4th of July!

-Scott

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Jul 2, 2022 20:35:00   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I don't understand your concerns about the D850? Is it the size? The pixel / file size of the images? What do you want to achieve by changing?

[i}I have zero concerns for the D850. I just want a mirrorless camera on par with it. I absolutely love it.[/i]

The Z bodies differ from DSLRs in many ways, but mostly just not having a mirror inside the body. Others have already noted the Z7II is just a D850 without a mirror, at the exact same 45MP. The Z6II is the 24MP full-frame version.

My point is: your images are really not going to change, especially if continuing to use the same legacy F-mount lenses on the mirrorless body. Is this really just a GAS issue, especially when considering giving up Nikon's final and best full-frame DSLR?

To the original question of 'why': do you want different image results or a different shooting process? Changing to mirrorless will change the process, being universally better. The images get better when you change the glass, not removing the mirror.
I don't understand your concerns about the D850? I... (show quote)


Thank you.

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Jul 2, 2022 20:36:24   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
A lot of responses but nobody answered your questions. I have the Z7 and I love those big raw files but I shoot a lot of stuff that requires cropping, even with a long lens. Unless you’re doing heavy cropping or printing really large prints the Z6II will be more than adequate. While I agree that getting a new mirrorless will make no difference in IQ I also understand your reasoning. Yes as some have said the D850 has slightly faster AF if you’re shooting action but the eye focus on the Z cameras is a definite advantage if you’re shooting people.
A lot of responses but nobody answered your questi... (show quote)


Thank you. I thought the same.

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Jul 2, 2022 20:37:57   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
[quote=BurghByrd][quote=Badgertale]I have used the d700 for years and moved to a d850 as I started doing outdoor photography, panoramas, and such, and thought having the d850 would be good for that. Now I'm not so sure. I'd like to get into the Nikon Z ecosystem as I have loads of glass that will work with it. I also shoot people and would like a better focusing system to track them. I know there are better ecosystems out there as far as focusing...but, again, I am heavily invested in Nikon.

Question: Aside from the megabyte count, is there all that much difference between the Z6ii and the Z7ii?

Thank you all.[/quote

I think the linked article will answer your question:

https://photographylife.com/nikon-z6-ii-vs-z7-ii

I'll add the following FYI. I think you will find the image quality of the Z7II on par with or better than the D850 using the F mount glass and in my opinion better if using the S grade Z lenses although that is not said to impugn the D850 used with a quality lens. You will find the F mount lenses to operate acceptably unless they are D series or older which will not auto focus, the G series and newer will autofocus OK using the FTZ adapter. Lastly, you will be using a menu system more to adjust settings; that can be a little frustrating at first particularly with auto focus mode. That's true for any new system, we humans don't like having the rules changed once we've mastered the game. Overall I think you'll grow to really like the new system, it has several improvements even compared to the venerable D850 which I've used and continue to hold on to although use infrequently now.[/quote]

Greatly appreciated!

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