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Jun 23, 2022 13:59:11   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
In a display of backwards reasoning, NY is banning bulletproof vests for civilians. Why? Well, it makes perfect sense. If a guy goes into a building to shoot as many people as he can, the police will be able to shoot him. He won't be wearing protection because that's against the law. How about shooting up a room full of people? Isn't that against the law?

From what I've heard, it bars the sale of soft, Kevlar-type vests which aren't very common because of their lack of protection again rifle fire. The kind with the steel plates are apparently okay. You should take it off before you get weighed at the doctor's office, though.

Amazon carries vests - for paintball protection. An effective vest costs $1,600, and I don't think I'm worth that much at this age.

This law was passed almost unanimously by both parties, so let's try to keep this out of The Attic.

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Jun 23, 2022 14:13:53   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Criminals will always be able to get what they need: rifles, vests, ammo, etc. So "banning" something only impacts the people who lead legal lives and raises the price for everyone. Somehow, even intelligent people lose their marbles when they are elected to a public office!

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Jun 23, 2022 14:22:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
azted wrote:
Criminals will always be able to get what they need: rifles, vests, ammo, etc. So "banning" something only impacts the people who lead legal lives and raises the price for everyone. Somehow, even intelligent people lose their marbles when they are elected to a public office!



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Jun 23, 2022 14:23:24   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
In a display of backwards reasoning, NY is banning bulletproof vests for civilians. Why? Well, it makes perfect sense. If a guy goes into a building to shoot as many people as he can, the police will be able to shoot him. He won't be wearing protection because that's against the law. How about shooting up a room full of people? Isn't that against the law?

From what I've heard, it bars the sale of soft, Kevlar-type vests which aren't very common because of their lack of protection again rifle fire. The kind with the steel plates are apparently okay. You should take it off before you get weighed at the doctor's office, though.

Amazon carries vests - for paintball protection. An effective vest costs $1,600, and I don't think I'm worth that much at this age.

This law was passed almost unanimously by both parties, so let's try to keep this out of The Attic.
In a display of backwards reasoning, NY is banning... (show quote)


Well the guy in Uvalde didn't really have a bulletproof vest yet police waited.

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Jun 23, 2022 14:30:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Well the guy in Uvalde didn't really have a bulletproof vest yet police waited.


The police did, though.

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Jun 23, 2022 14:31:12   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
azted wrote:
Criminals will always be able to get what they need: rifles, vests, ammo, etc. So "banning" something only impacts the people who lead legal lives and raises the price for everyone. Somehow, even intelligent people lose their marbles when they are elected to a public office!

Amen to that!

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Jun 23, 2022 14:36:10   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Oddly enough, The Supreme Court overturned a NY law regarding carrying concealed weapons.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/supreme-court-overturns-ny-law-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/
--Bob
jerryc41 wrote:
In a display of backwards reasoning, NY is banning bulletproof vests for civilians. Why? Well, it makes perfect sense. If a guy goes into a building to shoot as many people as he can, the police will be able to shoot him. He won't be wearing protection because that's against the law. How about shooting up a room full of people? Isn't that against the law?

From what I've heard, it bars the sale of soft, Kevlar-type vests which aren't very common because of their lack of protection again rifle fire. The kind with the steel plates are apparently okay. You should take it off before you get weighed at the doctor's office, though.

Amazon carries vests - for paintball protection. An effective vest costs $1,600, and I don't think I'm worth that much at this age.

This law was passed almost unanimously by both parties, so let's try to keep this out of The Attic.
In a display of backwards reasoning, NY is banning... (show quote)

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Jun 23, 2022 14:42:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rmalarz wrote:
Oddly enough, The Supreme Court overturned a NY law regarding carrying concealed weapons.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/supreme-court-overturns-ny-law-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/
--Bob


Legislators and courts always seem to be at odds.

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Jun 23, 2022 14:56:21   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
Another case of dumber than dirt leftists morons legislating against inanimate objects and honest citizens rather than actually addressing a problem. Won't do anything to change criminals and crime.

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Jun 23, 2022 15:06:14   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
jerryc41 wrote:
In a display of backwards reasoning, NY is banning bulletproof vests for civilians. Why? Well, it makes perfect sense. If a guy goes into a building to shoot as many people as he can, the police will be able to shoot him. He won't be wearing protection because that's against the law. How about shooting up a room full of people? Isn't that against the law?

From what I've heard, it bars the sale of soft, Kevlar-type vests which aren't very common because of their lack of protection again rifle fire. The kind with the steel plates are apparently okay. You should take it off before you get weighed at the doctor's office, though.

Amazon carries vests - for paintball protection. An effective vest costs $1,600, and I don't think I'm worth that much at this age.

This law was passed almost unanimously by both parties, so let's try to keep this out of The Attic.
In a display of backwards reasoning, NY is banning... (show quote)


Well, actually they are "Bullet Resistant Vests". There is at present no vest that any human could function while wearing that is bulletproof. And it depends on what "bullet" you are talking about. Most are rated to stop pistol rounds and a few, with the plate, will stop some relatively light rifle bullets. And as to knives etc. the only part of a kevlar vest that will slow or stop them is the metal or ceramic plates. (Well some have a metal mesh that resists knives.)
The "Flack Vests" we were issued in Vietnam were rated to stop things like grenade fragments and shrapnel - sometimes.

The above is why some prefer to just do without them and depend on mobility and dodging or staying hidden and under cover so they don't get hit with anything that needs to be stopped/resisted in the first place. Those things are stiff and HOT. I have found myself sweating on a cool day wearing one and on a hot and/or humid day you feel like a lobster being cooked in its own shell.

Yes, I have experience with these things. Two years in Vietnam and several years working armed security or alarm response security as my weekend and summer job while teaching. If it is comfortable then it is too light to stop/resistant very much and if it will stop most handgun rounds and some light rifle rounds then it is stiff, hard to move freely in, heavy and hot in anything but a cold day.

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Jun 23, 2022 15:25:37   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
Well, actually they are "Bullet Resistant Vests". There is at present no vest that any human could function while wearing that is bulletproof. And it depends on what "bullet" you are talking about. Most are rated to stop pistol rounds and a few, with the plate, will stop some relatively light rifle bullets. And as to knives etc. the only part of a kevlar vest that will slow or stop them is the metal or ceramic plates. (Well some have a metal mesh that resists knives.)
The "Flack Vests" we were issued in Vietnam were rated to stop things like grenade fragments and shrapnel - sometimes.

The above is why some prefer to just do without them and depend on mobility and dodging or staying hidden and under cover so they don't get hit with anything that needs to be stopped/resisted in the first place. Those things are stiff and HOT. I have found myself sweating on a cool day wearing one and on a hot and/or humid day you feel like a lobster being cooked in its own shell.

Yes, I have experience with these things. Two years in Vietnam and several years working armed security or alarm response security as my weekend and summer job while teaching. If it is comfortable then it is too light to stop/resistant very much and if it will stop most handgun rounds and some light rifle rounds then it is stiff, hard to move freely in, heavy and hot in anything but a cold day.
Well, actually they are "Bullet Resistant Ves... (show quote)


Anyone remember lawn darts? It was said that they could penetrate a Kevlar vest with ease. No longer sold.

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Jun 23, 2022 15:40:36   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
therwol wrote:
Anyone remember lawn darts? It was said that they could penetrate a Kevlar vest with ease. No longer sold.

Too many people getting jabbed with them, they were deemed unsafe
{for use by the unintelligent}.

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Jun 23, 2022 15:51:42   #
BebuLamar
 
robertjerl wrote:
Well, actually they are "Bullet Resistant Vests". There is at present no vest that any human could function while wearing that is bulletproof. And it depends on what "bullet" you are talking about. Most are rated to stop pistol rounds and a few, with the plate, will stop some relatively light rifle bullets. And as to knives etc. the only part of a kevlar vest that will slow or stop them is the metal or ceramic plates. (Well some have a metal mesh that resists knives.)
The "Flack Vests" we were issued in Vietnam were rated to stop things like grenade fragments and shrapnel - sometimes.

The above is why some prefer to just do without them and depend on mobility and dodging or staying hidden and under cover so they don't get hit with anything that needs to be stopped/resisted in the first place. Those things are stiff and HOT. I have found myself sweating on a cool day wearing one and on a hot and/or humid day you feel like a lobster being cooked in its own shell.

Yes, I have experience with these things. Two years in Vietnam and several years working armed security or alarm response security as my weekend and summer job while teaching. If it is comfortable then it is too light to stop/resistant very much and if it will stop most handgun rounds and some light rifle rounds then it is stiff, hard to move freely in, heavy and hot in anything but a cold day.
Well, actually they are "Bullet Resistant Ves... (show quote)


Back in Vietnam we had what we call chicken plates and I know it would stop a .50 caliber round. We wore that on the helicopter.

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Jun 23, 2022 16:00:33   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Back in Vietnam we had what we call chicken plates and I know it would stop a .50 caliber round. We wore that on the helicopter.


Wouldn't that be from friendly fire? I see the point. Just thinking to myself.

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Jun 23, 2022 16:39:34   #
BebuLamar
 
therwol wrote:
Wouldn't that be from friendly fire? I see the point. Just thinking to myself.


Why from friendly fire?

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