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Mar 27, 2023 14:16:23   #
Saorsa Loc: Punta Gorda FL
 
I see it as being about the life on a workday in a city. The people are anonymous as they are in crowds on a workday. They don't interact with each other on the street. With them being out of focus it shows no link between them and none are the subject. It's like walking down a crowded street without recognizing anyone else as you go about your own business.

The bus and car in relative motion (bus slow, car fast) provide some action and color.

I don't know if I would hang it on my wall but it would make an interesting illustration for an article about city life or the psychology of anomie.

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Aug 23, 2023 12:49:33   #
dvgofaz Loc: Toosawn, Arizona
 
I'm gonna guess this is from Saul Leiter, and is part of a collection of urban scenes he shot in the 60s. He was the first to use kodachrome as an art medium. It seems to me that whomever made this image, the subject is the contrasting colors and the motion...together creating the 'urban hustle' feeling.

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Aug 23, 2023 12:59:02   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
dvgofaz wrote:
I'm gonna guess this is from Saul Leiter, and is part of a collection of urban scenes he shot in the 60s. He was the first to use kodachrome as an art medium. It seems to me that whomever made this image, the subject is the contrasting colors and the motion...together creating the 'urban hustle' feeling.


You guessed wrong. If you had read just the first two pages of the thread you would know who shot it.

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Aug 23, 2023 13:53:51   #
srt101fan
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
You guessed wrong. If you had read just the first two pages of the thread you would know who shot it.


Why the tone? As a newcomer to the forum, the poster deserves better…

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Aug 23, 2023 15:02:20   #
dvgofaz Loc: Toosawn, Arizona
 
yup i was wrong. so what?

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Aug 23, 2023 17:37:41   #
dhilker Loc: Powder Springs, Georgia
 
What would be the reaction to this photo if, for instance, the man closest to the Camera was in pin-point focus?

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Aug 25, 2023 09:59:53   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
Now I'm thinking about all those shots that I threw away or deleted. I COULD HAVE BEEN FAMOUS!!!!!!

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Sep 4, 2023 14:09:00   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
dhilker wrote:
What would be the reaction to this photo if, for instance, the man closest to the Camera was in pin-point focus?


...I just yearn for a part, *any* part, to be in sharp focus. Life can't be *all* smudged, can it? Hahaha...well...

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Sep 4, 2023 18:19:41   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
chasgroh wrote:
...I just yearn for a part, *any* part, to be in sharp focus. Life can't be *all* smudged, can it? Hahaha...well...


I think it would lessen any impact. If he was in focus he would stand out and seem like he was the main subject.

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Sep 10, 2023 15:35:47   #
The Aardvark Is Ready
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
So what I see a typical judge saying about this is “I don’t know what subject is. Is it the people in the foreground? Is it the bus?” That kind of critique drives me crazy. I think you could certainly crop and process differently and make either the subject but I also think neither change would be as strong. I think everything in the image is important to the story. I agree that it captures the bustle of a morning in the city, the motion of the bus, the taxis zooming by, (including the tail end of the first taxi really adds to urgency), the people waiting just so they can hurry. I like the image. It doesn’t blow me away, but I like it.
So what I see a typical judge saying about this is... (show quote)


Agree with your analysis. I also get bugged by the "what is the subject" argument. The subject is the photo itself. Everything in it and about it.

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Sep 12, 2023 11:14:52   #
Abo
 

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Sep 23, 2023 09:59:46   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
NickGee wrote:
There was an interesting thread about a month or so back in which we (the viewers) were asked to comment on and critique a photograph by Ansel Adams (Moonrise Hernandez New Mexico), but with the stipulation that we should treat the photo independently of anything we know about Adams, etc. That was a tough assignment since, among other things, Adams is a bit of a god here on UHH, and because the photo is so damn famous.

I'd like to try this again but with a far lesser known photo, by a photographer whom I've never heard mentioned on this site (so may be unfamiliar to many here). It won't be completely anonymous I suspect since I'm sure some of you will recognize the photo, or may recognize the style of the photographer (especially if you're a street photographer). If you do know the photo and/or the photographer, please don't drop a spoiler on the thread. I think the exercise of having a blind critique is a really good one and I'm hopeful we can learn from it.

You can see that the photo breaks many of the rules of photography that we've had drilled into us, but we also know that it's okay to break the rules if you need to in order to get the result you desire. How do you rate the rule-breaking on this one? Thumbs up or thumbs down? And why?

I think it will be great fun analyzing, dissecting, deconstructing this photo. Have at it!
There was an interesting thread about a month or s... (show quote)

I realize that this is a "golden oldie" from last year, but I had an experience earlier this week that might inform the discussion.

I was working with a new teacher in the school where I work who was showing her students what was expected of them and how she grades their work. She asked me to present some of my photographs with commentary explaining my process to model how she wanted them to present a similar assignment. They then, individually and as a class, gave me a grade for my work.

I started out by showing a print that I had made of "Mule's Ears," a formation in Big Bend National Park. I have shown it a few times, and entered it in a contest, where it earned a low score and mostly derogatory comments from the judge. It was offered as a "failure," and an example of why my process now includes only limited processing with LightRoom.

Much to my surprise, just about everyone in the room loved the image, including the teacher, who had not seen it previously. They loved the pastel color palette and specifically loved that it looked much like a painting.

The thing is, getting those kids excited was a big deal to me. A number of them want to learn more about photography. (For those who are wondering, yes, we are going to start with their cell phone cameras.) And the approval and kind words from the art teacher, who has quickly become a new good friend, is worth much more to me than any words from an anonymous judge who I'll never meet. And yes...she will tell me if an image is weak or might have been improved by doing something different.

I think that analyzing photographs can be very beneficial. We have to decide what we like and what excites us as photographers. But I'm not sure of the true value of anonymous analysis by folks whose motives we don't know and understand.

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Sep 23, 2023 22:29:26   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
larryepage wrote:
I realize that this is a "golden oldie" from last year, but I had an experience earlier this week that might inform the discussion.

I was working with a new teacher in the school where I work who was showing her students what was expected of them and how she grades their work. She asked me to present some of my photographs with commentary explaining my process to model how she wanted them to present a similar assignment. They then, individually and as a class, gave me a grade for my work.

I started out by showing a print that I had made of "Mule's Ears," a formation in Big Bend National Park. I have shown it a few times, and entered it in a contest, where it earned a low score and mostly derogatory comments from the judge. It was offered as a "failure," and an example of why my process now includes only limited processing with LightRoom.

Much to my surprise, just about everyone in the room loved the image, including the teacher, who had not seen it previously. They loved the pastel color palette and specifically loved that it looked much like a painting.

The thing is, getting those kids excited was a big deal to me. A number of them want to learn more about photography. (For those who are wondering, yes, we are going to start with their cell phone cameras.) And the approval and kind words from the art teacher, who has quickly become a new good friend, is worth much more to me than any words from an anonymous judge who I'll never meet. And yes...she will tell me if an image is weak or might have been improved by doing something different.

I think that analyzing photographs can be very beneficial. We have to decide what we like and what excites us as photographers. But I'm not sure of the true value of anonymous analysis by folks whose motives we don't know and understand.
I realize that this is a "golden oldie" ... (show quote)


You had a good session with both students and teacher. I hope this continues successfully for both you and them.
As to analyzing an image by a stranger who doesn't know your intentions, I agree there might not be much value in that, but there could be advice offered of a more nuts and bolts variety. Sometimes other eyes sees things ours might have missed. I am glad that your Mule's Ears image got a good review. However, I think it would have been interesting if you could have shown the original Ernest Haas image that initiated this discussion. It would good to say something like "Here is an image that was offered for discussion in a group that I am a member of. Some people in the group really liked it and others did not care for it at all" If they want to know what it was, I'd tell them it is what it is, a color photograph of people and vehicles in traffic in a city" I would ask them what they thought about the image. Many of them, I suspect might not care for it, but what I would leave them with is that Haas made the image as an expression of something that mattered to him and that when they go out with their cell phones, they have every right to try to capture what matters to them.

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Sep 23, 2023 22:38:11   #
jesmason
 
I agree about the woman. I'd lighten the coat to blue-gray and brown her hair color so she isn't the focal point. It doesn't help that she is almost in focus while nothing else is.

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Sep 23, 2023 22:55:37   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
RodeoMan wrote:
You had a good session with both students and teacher. I hope this continues successfully for both you and them.
As to analyzing an image by a stranger who doesn't know your intentions, I agree there might not be much value in that, but there could be advice offered of a more nuts and bolts variety. Sometimes other eyes sees things ours might have missed. I am glad that your Mule's Ears image got a good review. However, I think it would have been interesting if you could have shown the original Ernest Haas image that initiated this discussion. It would good to say something like "Here is an image that was offered for discussion in a group that I am a member of. Some people in the group really liked it and others did not care for it at all" If they want to know what it was, I'd tell them it is what it is, a color photograph of people and vehicles in traffic in a city" I would ask them what they thought about the image. Many of them, I suspect might not care for it, but what I would leave them with is that Haas made the image as an expression of something that mattered to him and that when they go out with their cell phones, they have every right to try to capture what matters to them.
You had a good session with both students and teac... (show quote)


I agree with showing them this image. I'll be working with them further and will have opportunity to do that. Thank you for the suggestion. I may also show the Mule's Ears print here to see what discussion it generates.

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