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May 28, 2022 11:02:50   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
MWojton wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct subsection to put this. I was blown away in a bad way at the difference between these 2 shots. The first one is from my Nikon D5300 in which I took the time to adjust the settings and compose the shot. The second is a quickie with cell phone. The details and the colors are 10x better with the cell phone. I spent a lot of time in post processing trying to get the Nikon shot similar to the cell phone shot- came close but still not as good. I don't understand it- it makes me want to question whether its worh lugging my camera around anymore.
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Just copy the figure from the second shot and paste it into the first shot and, voila! Problem solved.

Stan

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May 28, 2022 15:24:57   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I'm with rgrenaderphoto in his assessment of the difference between these two photographs. I'm not seeing a 10x difference between them. I'm not as intimately acquainted with the internal processing cell phones do to captures. So, I can't comment on that aspect of it. However, I see very little difference in the two posted photographs.

I took the liberty of doing a bit of processing of your Nikon image. It looks pretty nice.
--Bob
MWojton wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct subsection to put this. I was blown away in a bad way at the difference between these 2 shots. The first one is from my Nikon D5300 in which I took the time to adjust the settings and compose the shot. The second is a quickie with cell phone. The details and the colors are 10x better with the cell phone. I spent a lot of time in post processing trying to get the Nikon shot similar to the cell phone shot- came close but still not as good. I don't understand it- it makes me want to question whether its worh lugging my camera around anymore.
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May 28, 2022 15:58:28   #
JimBart Loc: Western Michigan
 
IMHO these 2 shots do not appear to be the same from the identical period in time. One has the guy in the frame the other doesn’t. In the time it took him to get in place the lighting could change, a cloud cover moves in etc.
In addition cropping a pic usually forces me to adjust settings.

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May 28, 2022 17:22:52   #
MWojton Loc: Yardley, PA
 
JimBart wrote:
IMHO these 2 shots do not appear to be the same from the identical period in time. One has the guy in the frame the other doesn’t. In the time it took him to get in place the lighting could change, a cloud cover moves in etc.
In addition cropping a pic usually forces me to adjust settings.


That’s me. They were taken less than 5 minutes apart.

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May 28, 2022 21:56:20   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Someone posted here "The best camera is the one you have with you"
I ALWAYS have my Samsung S21 5G with me. Not so much my D 3100.

Samsung wins in quantity of shots. The 64 mp. Telephoto does well for distance shots.

Bottom line, for momentary opportunities, the Samsung wins.

For a staged photo with time to adjust and bracket the shot, the D 3100 does as well/better.

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May 28, 2022 22:51:53   #
profbowman Loc: Harrisonburg, VA, USA
 
You have not shared which smartphone you used to get your photo, or I missed that info. And the EXIF data with the cell phone photo does nor tell me. So, in addition to the questions others have posted, I would ask:

What cell phone did you use?

The reason for my question is that many cell phones now use more than one lens to get an image. Once the three pictures have been "taken," they are combined in a computational way to generate what our eyes and brains seem to think are the best photos whether they really are the best from a technical point of view.

Here is a blog entry that helps to explain some of this.
https://friedmanarchives.blogspot.com/2021/09/computational-photography.html#more

--Richard

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May 30, 2022 05:22:52   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
MWojton wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct subsection to put this. I was blown away in a bad way at the difference between these 2 shots. The first one is from my Nikon D5300 in which I took the time to adjust the settings and compose the shot. The second is a quickie with cell phone. The details and the colors are 10x better with the cell phone. I spent a lot of time in post processing trying to get the Nikon shot similar to the cell phone shot- came close but still not as good. I don't understand it- it makes me want to question whether its worh lugging my camera around anymore.
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IMHO, it just needs adjustments. DSLR is still better especially when you zoom/crop. Celphones sharpen & smooth images then increase contrast & saturation automatically. If you want the D5300 to shoot the same way, see the manual on "picture controls"

I hope you don't mind, i played with your photo to show the same adjustments if applied to your D5300 photo.


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May 31, 2022 05:38:00   #
roadsideron Loc: Apache Junction, AZ
 
The mountains in the background are to hard to work with from a jpeg.


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Jun 7, 2022 14:34:40   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
When I try to make an omelette, it never comes out as good as when I go into my favorite restaurant and just order one. Why bother having a kitchen and invest in all of that equipment - stove, refrigerator, pots and pans - and try to keep all of those ingredients on hand and learn all of that recipe stuff if I can get better results without taking any of that time and trouble?

If you are happy with the processed output from the phone, then may be the best option for you. Modern cameras have many settings that affect the JPEG output, and working with raw files gives you even more latitude. If you don't want to explore either of those approaches, that is your choice.

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Jun 7, 2022 14:38:07   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Why blame the equipment when there is so much opportunity for the human to do a better job?

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Jun 7, 2022 15:16:17   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
....If you are happy with the processed output from the phone, then may be the best option for you.....


Are there phones that allow you to import a raw file into them and then they do their computational thing with the raw file?

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Jun 7, 2022 15:21:56   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
MWojton wrote:
......I still think the phone image is better.


You could probably learn quite a lot if you tried to work out in what ways the phone image is better. There aren't any differences between them that appropriate post processing couldn't mitigate. The reality is that your camera sensor provides a better starting point than the phone sensor but the phone has the edge when it comes to post processing. There's nothing magical about what the phone does. You could do as well if not better.

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Jun 7, 2022 15:35:48   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
R.G. wrote:
Are there phones that allow you to import a raw file into them and then they do their computational thing with the raw file?


I know that my camera won't let me make phone calls on it.

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Jun 17, 2022 19:25:22   #
gmontjr2350 Loc: Southern NJ
 
R.G. wrote:
The phone image has been given a lot of processing. Did you give the Nikon image the same sort of treatment? It looks like a few minutes in PP would have the Nikon image looking at least as good or possibly better than the phone image.

Phones make extensive use of what is referred to as computational photography. If you're not giving your camera images a fairly high level of PP, your phone images will have the advantage, especially with shots taken on bright days, which is when the disadvantages of the small phone sensors are at their least relevant.
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Thank you for this explanation.

George

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Jun 23, 2022 15:37:11   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
MWojton wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the correct subsection to put this. I was blown away in a bad way at the difference between these 2 shots. The first one is from my Nikon D5300 in which I took the time to adjust the settings and compose the shot. The second is a quickie with cell phone. The details and the colors are 10x better with the cell phone. I spent a lot of time in post processing trying to get the Nikon shot similar to the cell phone shot- came close but still not as good. I don't understand it- it makes me want to question whether its worh lugging my camera around anymore.
I'm not sure if this is the correct subsection to ... (show quote)


Phone probably does a lot of extras you're not aware of behind the scenes 😁

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