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May 17, 2022 07:43:17   #
Miamark Loc: Florida
 
srt101fan wrote:
Who am I to butt in on this conversation, but I believe you and others are misunderstanding what User ID is saying. However inarticulately and inelegantly ( ) he may have expressed his comments, I don't think he rejects book learning or learning about composition in the general sense. I may be all wrong and I shouldn't speak for him, but I think his point is that composition in photography cannot be learned by reading a book that dissects an image in terms of rules and a bunch of straight, curved, spiral or leading lines. That may be of academic interest but has limited practical applicability in photography. I tend to agree with him.....
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I don’t understand why you chose to speak for him. He can do so with an apology. Even those with natural talents can benefit from books. He was offensive and neither inarticulate nor inelegant. It was a legitimate question that went unanswered. Even photographic books that do not specifically address composition are helpful. Of course, some basic rules such as the rule of thirds are helpful to understand but are not laws. Perhaps a book on manners would help UserID.

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May 17, 2022 08:47:58   #
srt101fan
 
RodeoMan wrote:
Well he'd probably know. After all he is, as he puts it, "a well-honed" professional who thinks putting a discussion topic out for discussion isn't quite like "pearls before swine" but more like "crackers before parrots". I do not believe that he expressed himself "inarticulately nor inelegantly" but clearly stated his views. It appears that the majority of the members of UHH are beneath his contempt, and this would include you, srt101, the original poster, and me as well. He suggest that photographers ignore us average yokels and strive to appeal the "elite". As he put it after a deliciously nuanced discussion of the exquisite composition of his image of an orange traffic cone that succeeded where "Moonrise" does not, because there was no "subject" in his image. Or as he puts it "Old man Adams has nothing on me" Most of us surely aren't capable of working at his high level which isn't surprising since as he puts it "the masses are asses" "But "acoarst thaz" just my opinion and I could be "toadally" wrong.
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A thoughtful and well-stated response. Perhaps I am not as offended by his verbal shenanigans because I don't take him too seriously. I think of him more as the UHH court jester (from a googled source: "Jesters were not afraid of causing offense by telling what they thought. They often used humor to jibe, mock and joke about the lords, ladies, and other members of the nobility of the court.") I do agree that he frequently goes to far...

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May 17, 2022 09:03:29   #
srt101fan
 
Miamark wrote:
I don’t understand why you chose to speak for him. He can do so with an apology. Even those with natural talents can benefit from books. He was offensive and neither inarticulate nor inelegant. It was a legitimate question that went unanswered. Even photographic books that do not specifically address composition are helpful. Of course, some basic rules such as the rule of thirds are helpful to understand but are not laws. Perhaps a book on manners would help UserID.


Again, I don't think his issue is with learning from books in general. It's about learning composition from books. I think he has a point there, one certainly worthy of serious discussion. Unfortunately his way of addressing the issue has put the kibosh on it. I'll leave it at that (methinks I've said too much already...🤔)

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May 17, 2022 09:07:44   #
Miamark Loc: Florida
 
srt101fan wrote:
A thoughtful and well-stated response. Perhaps I am not as offended by his verbal shenanigans because I don't take him too seriously. I think of him more as the UHH court jester (from a googled source: "Jesters were not afraid of causing offense by telling what they thought. They often used humor to jibe, mock and joke about the lords, ladies, and other members of the nobility of the court.") I do agree that he frequently goes to far...


Thank you. There are so many folks with different skill levels on this site. The original post was a question about books by a colleague seeking to help others. I once took a Master Class from Mary Ellen Mark. A lot of the class involved going out and shooting pictures with a subsequent critique. However, to look her “books” and the thoughtful introductions and forwards about how the pictures were taken made the entire experience fantastic. I view this site as a learning experience beyond what gear is best (which is enjoyable as well).

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