Ugly Hedgehog - Photography
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Photo Gallery
How is this type of lighting exactly called? Is the correct name "rim lighting" or is it "dark field lighting"?
Mar 24, 2022 20:08:00   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
Haha, this afternoon I went cycling in the forst and fand a lot of those little blue/violet flowers.
As they are really very hairy, I picked one in the intend to make a picture specificaly lit in order to enhance the "hairy" side of this subject. Regarding the lighting itself, I had no problem to "underline" the hairs...not only on the stem but also on the pétales! So, the lighting worked nicely. Now comes the issue: As I picked tthe flower at 18h00 PM, it was fully open and one could see the yellow pistil, so I had the hope to get a photogenic effect of the transluscent flower...Nope, it was fully closed tonight at 22h as I wanted to take the picture. I believe I will make another photo tomorrow when the sun is high in the sky

download and see how amazing hairy this is!
download and see how amazing hairy this is!...
(Download)

Reply
Mar 24, 2022 20:15:35   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
I like it. Nice work.

Reply
Mar 24, 2022 20:18:11   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
tcthome wrote:
I like it. Nice work.

Thank You sir! Do You know how this type of lighting has to be named? Dark field or rim?

Reply
 
 
Mar 24, 2022 23:40:53   #
13 Loc: I am only responsible to what I say..not what
 
Very good!!!

Reply
Mar 24, 2022 23:52:34   #
srt101fan
 
Dan' de Bourgogne wrote:
Haha, this afternoon I went cycling in the forst and fand a lot of those little blue/violet flowers.
As they are really very hairy, I picked one in the intend to make a picture specificaly lit in order to enhance the "hairy" side of this subject. Regarding the lighting itself, I had no problem to "underline" the hairs...not only on the stem but also on the pétales! So, the lighting worked nicely. Now comes the issue: As I picked tthe flower at 18h00 PM, it was fully open and one could see the yellow pistil, so I had the hope to get a photogenic effect of the transluscent flower...Nope, it was fully closed tonight at 22h as I wanted to take the picture. I believe I will make another photo tomorrow when the sun is high in the sky
Haha, this afternoon I went cycling in the forst a... (show quote)


You should float this over to the "Dynamics of Photographic Lighting" section (https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-139-1.html)

Reply
Mar 25, 2022 00:41:50   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Yes, it's called rim lighting if the light source, artificial or natural, strikes the subj at approximately 135 degrees to the camera subject axis, It is very applicable for rending texture in certain objects such as fuzz or thrones on plants and flowers.

As for the light shining through leaves or petals, that is called transillumination, the extent of which is determined by the translucency or opacity of the leaves or petals.

As for the timing of various flowers, opening and closing, I would need to consult with my granddaughter who is a professional horticulturist.

If you can coordinate the time of day, the direction of the sunlight, etc., with the flowers' opening and closing tendencies, you will be good to go or you can simulate natural rim lighting indoors with flash or other continuous light sources.

The attached diagram shows a setup where a reflector is used to redirect some of the sunlight for fill. You can vary the light ratio by adjusting the tilt and distance of the reflector A black flag or gobo is used to shade the lens to prevent stray light from causing flare and loss of contrast. Sometimes with this kind of backlighting, a conventional lens shade may not be sufficient.

For more detailed information, post in the "Dynamics of Photographic Lighting Section".

Oh- I took a second look at your shot- looks like you employed 2 rim lights- good job! A bit of editing brought out the colour and texture. You transilluminated the vase and the liquid- nice!

yOU DID A low-key STILL LIFE. In the aforementioned lighting section, there is an explanation of light and dark field photography. It has to do with the angle of inciendnse.





Reply
Mar 25, 2022 08:39:35   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
srt101fan wrote:
You should float this over to the "Dynamics of Photographic Lighting" section (https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-139-1.html)


Thank You so much: this is a useful information. I just had a very quick look at it; it seems to be a very interesting and informativ stuff. When I'm back home this afternoon, I will go again there and will take time to read all those posts. Again thanks a lot SRT101fan

Reply
 
 
Mar 25, 2022 09:07:29   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
Could definitely use a haircut.

Reply
Mar 25, 2022 11:00:36   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Very nice and very close to rim lighting.
--Bob
Dan' de Bourgogne wrote:
Haha, this afternoon I went cycling in the forst and fand a lot of those little blue/violet flowers.
As they are really very hairy, I picked one in the intend to make a picture specificaly lit in order to enhance the "hairy" side of this subject. Regarding the lighting itself, I had no problem to "underline" the hairs...not only on the stem but also on the pétales! So, the lighting worked nicely. Now comes the issue: As I picked tthe flower at 18h00 PM, it was fully open and one could see the yellow pistil, so I had the hope to get a photogenic effect of the transluscent flower...Nope, it was fully closed tonight at 22h as I wanted to take the picture. I believe I will make another photo tomorrow when the sun is high in the sky
Haha, this afternoon I went cycling in the forst a... (show quote)

Reply
Mar 25, 2022 13:16:24   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Yes, it's called rim lighting if the light source, artificial or natural, strikes the subj at approximately 135 degrees to the camera subject axis, It is very applicable for rending texture in certain objects such as fuzz or thrones on plants and flowers.

As for the light shining through leaves or petals, that is called transillumination, the extent of which is determined by the translucency or opacity of the leaves or petals.

As for the timing of various flowers, opening and closing, I would need to consult with my granddaughter who is a professional horticulturist.

If you can coordinate the time of day, the direction of the sunlight, etc., with the flowers' opening and closing tendencies, you will be good to go or you can simulate natural rim lighting indoors with flash or other continuous light sources.

The attached diagram shows a setup where a reflector is used to redirect some of the sunlight for fill. You can vary the light ratio by adjusting the tilt and distance of the reflector A black flag or gobo is used to shade the lens to prevent stray light from causing flare and loss of contrast. Sometimes with this kind of backlighting, a conventional lens shade may not be sufficient.

For more detailed information, post in the "Dynamics of Photographic Lighting Section".

Oh- I took a second look at your shot- looks like you employed 2 rim lights- good job! A bit of editing brought out the colour and texture. You transilluminated the vase and the liquid- nice!

yOU DID A low-key STILL LIFE. In the aforementioned lighting section, there is an explanation of light and dark field photography. It has to do with the angle of inciendnse.
Yes, it's called rim lighting if the light source,... (show quote)

Thank You Mr. Shapiro! I always read very carefully the lines You send here. I find You write a lot of details and You give very precise information. That's why I love to take time with the messages You sent
OK, so I shot a "rim lit" image...which is called "STILL LIFE"...and to crown the cake, this "still life" belongs to the type "low key". As I made the picture, the initial intention was only to enhance the tiny "hairs" of the plant. Finally, i'm very proud of this result because it's more than what I wanted to do
Thank You for the diagram with natural sun light!
This morning, I put the little plant in its glas (with a bit water+moos+original roots!) in a sunny area. But it stayed closed...apparently coud'nt anymore go open. So I had to forget to take a picture of this flower opened.
As I wanted to see by myself what brings a reflector "recycling" the bounced light from the soft box, I took a picture of a rose. I have to admit it made a huge difference by filling in the "unlit areas". Merci Mr Shapiro, this idea is yours!
You're right, I used 2 speedlights in the 1st picture ("hairy" blue/violet flower, shot yesterday evening):
- one SB26 in a soft box 60x90 cm featuring 2 diff' screens
- a black paper sheet ca 50x 70 cm direct on the front screen of the soft box, having a "light window" ca 5 cm left and right side of the soft box...to light up at the same time both sides of the subject.
- another speedlight with 2 bands of gaffer tape set parallel each other creating a very small ray of 1 mm across the flash head+2 green gelatines just to add a bit of color into the background without "breaking" the rim light effect.
Et voilà.

This morning for the rose, I set again everything in the way I done yesterday evening...I just added once this white litlle bounce card to light up the subject. It was enough to make the subject becomes "consistant".

here the set up was the same as yesterday night...just the blue gel replaces the former green gelatine. No bounce card to fill up the subject
here the set up was the same as yesterday night......
(Download)

I just added a white bounce card to light up the flower itself: huge effect! Merci Mr Shapiro,it works really great! BTW, both pict are SOC", no editing at all...I'm in a hurry
I just added a white bounce card to light up the f...
(Download)

Reply
Mar 25, 2022 13:25:41   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
raymondh wrote:
Could definitely use a haircut.


for such a delicate subject, I suggest Gillette MachIII should be the way to go!

Reply
 
 
Mar 25, 2022 13:35:34   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
rmalarz wrote:
Very nice and very close to rim lighting.
--Bob

Thank You Mr RMalarz! It sounds like a compliment What would You suggest to do in order this pict. is not only very close to but becomes 100% rim lighting? Perhaps to have the subject like a silhouette with only its "périphéric" edge lines high lit? Would it be correct?

Reply
Mar 25, 2022 16:39:57   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Dan' de Bourgogne wrote:
Thank You Mr. Shapiro! I always read very carefully the lines You send here. I find You write a lot of details and You give very precise information. That's why I love to take time with the messages You sent
OK, so I shot a "rim lit" image...which is called "STILL LIFE"...and to crown the cake, this "still life" belongs to the type "low key". As I made the picture, the initial intention was only to enhance the tiny "hairs" of the plant. Finally, i'm very proud of this result because it's more than what I wanted to do
Thank You for the diagram with natural sun light!
This morning, I put the little plant in its glas (with a bit water+moos+original roots!) in a sunny area. But it stayed closed...apparently coud'nt anymore go open. So I had to forget to take a picture of this flower opened.
As I wanted to see by myself what brings a reflector "recycling" the bounced light from the soft box, I took a picture of a rose. I have to admit it made a huge difference by filling in the "unlit areas". Merci Mr Shapiro, this idea is yours!
You're right, I used 2 speedlights in the 1st picture ("hairy" blue/violet flower, shot yesterday evening):
- one SB26 in a soft box 60x90 cm featuring 2 diff' screens
- a black paper sheet ca 50x 70 cm direct on the front screen of the soft box, having a "light window" ca 5 cm left and right side of the soft box...to light up at the same time both sides of the subject.
- another speedlight with 2 bands of gaffer tape set parallel each other creating a very small ray of 1 mm across the flash head+2 green gelatines just to add a bit of color into the background without "breaking" the rim light effect.
Et voilà.

This morning for the rose, I set again everything in the way I did yesterday evening...I just added once this white little bounce card to light up the subject. It was enough to make the subject becomes "consistent".
Thank You Mr. Shapiro! I always read very carefull... (show quote)


Plus vous travaillerez avec la lumière, plus vous découvrirez de possibilités créatives et plus il vous sera facile d'obtenir les effets que vous souhaitez.

You did well. Your double rim lights are evident on the stems and you managed to transilluminate the petals. Keep up the good work!





Reply
Mar 25, 2022 23:26:04   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Plus vous travaillerez avec la lumière, plus vous découvrirez de possibilités créatives et plus il vous sera facile d'obtenir les effets que vous souhaitez.

You did well. Your double rim lights are evident on the stems and you managed to transilluminate the petals. Keep up the good work!


Mr Shapiro...I wonder if there is one thing You can't do perfectly! Even writing compliment in french seems to be a second nature for You. Thank You. Thank You for the time spent to share skills, explainations and tips. Thank You for "editing" the 2 pictures of the rose (the aim was only to demonstrate the efficiency of a little white bounce card set in the right place).

Reply
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Photo Gallery
UglyHedgehog.com
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.