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Jan 16, 2022 21:50:43   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
We need to tell the story of unionization and collective action at least as much as we tell the story of resignation

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Jan 16, 2022 23:20:51   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Yup! We need to get rid of all public sector unions, glad you brought it up!

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Jan 16, 2022 23:25:53   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yup! We need to get rid of all public sector unions, glad you brought it up!


Maybe get rid yuh self. You haven't a clue what union have done for the people clueless

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Jan 17, 2022 00:44:54   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yup! We need to get rid of all public sector unions, glad you brought it up!

What do you have against public making a decent living.

A public-sector trade union (or public-sector labor union) is a trade union which primarily represents the interests of employees within public sector or governmental organizations. Just cause you w3rent smart eñough join a union

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Jan 17, 2022 12:01:04   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
What do you have against public making a decent living.

A public-sector trade union (or public-sector labor union) is a trade union which primarily represents the interests of employees within public sector or governmental organizations. Just cause you w3rent smart eñough join a union


A Union provides nothing more than someone to negotiate with the employer. The employer is who decides wage levels, benefits, work hours, and job duties. The Union rep may try to force changes in existing wages etc., but if the employer is not willing to make those changes, the Union can do nothing about it.
Sure they can have the members strike, which causes them to be without wages or benefits for the duration of the work stoppage, but sure doesn't effect the livelihood of the Union leadership. This in turn causes the employees to live off their savings until the work stoppage comes to an end. In some cases I have seen where they come back under the same contract they had prior to the strike, or sometimes even take a cut in wages or benefits to just to be able return to work. The employer also has the ability to lockout employees if the Union does not negotiate in good faith. They can also be replaced, "Remember the Air Traffic Controllers"? Those of you who think the Union is in control, are badly mistaken, they are at the mercy of the employer and what they are willing to give up, not what the Union wants. Employees who strike and have not prepared, have a very good chance of loosing everything they worked to achieve.

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Jan 17, 2022 17:39:17   #
lbrande
 
My wife h**es the union she is forced to join.

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Jan 17, 2022 17:58:38   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
SteveS wrote:
A Union provides nothing more than someone to negotiate with the employer. The employer is who decides wage levels, benefits, work hours, and job duties. The Union rep may try to force changes in existing wages etc., but if the employer is not willing to make those changes, the Union can do nothing about it.
Sure they can have the members strike, which causes them to be without wages or benefits for the duration of the work stoppage, but sure doesn't effect the livelihood of the Union leadership. This in turn causes the employees to live off their savings until the work stoppage comes to an end. In some cases I have seen where they come back under the same contract they had prior to the strike, or sometimes even take a cut in wages or benefits to just to be able return to work. The employer also has the ability to lockout employees if the Union does not negotiate in good faith. They can also be replaced, "Remember the Air Traffic Controllers"? Those of you who think the Union is in control, are badly mistaken, they are at the mercy of the employer and what they are willing to give up, not what the Union wants. Employees who strike and have not prepared, have a very good chance of loosing everything they worked to achieve.
A Union provides nothing more than someone to nego... (show quote)



Is all this a fact . You just don't know how everyone even today still benefacting from uñions

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Jan 17, 2022 17:59:03   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
lbrande wrote:
My wife h**es the union she is forced to join.


Have known no one forced to join actually she should be thankful

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Jan 17, 2022 18:08:49   #
lbrande
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Have known no one forced to join actually she should be thankful


Membership is mandatory for employment. Just because YOU don't know anyone doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Jan 17, 2022 18:09:05   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
I hired union. Lot of people mad upset I wouldn't hire them. I payed more had healthcare insurance. No one was forced to join. But lots people wanted the benefits I payed.

She could always go down road get a job.. sounds like she want3d the benifits

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Jan 17, 2022 18:13:40   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
dirtpusher wrote:
I hired union. Lot of people mad upset I wouldn't hire them. I payed more had healthcare insurance. No one was forced to join. But lots people wanted this benefits I payed

You do realize there’s a huge difference between a private employer and the public sector.

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Jan 17, 2022 18:23:28   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Is all this a fact . You just don't know how everyone even today still benefacting from uñions


Yes it is all a fact. I'm not sure how you think you understand what I know, and don't know about Unions, but I can assure you I know all about them, what they represent, and how they operate.

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Jan 17, 2022 18:30:43   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Have known no one forced to join actually she should be thankful


Unless you are in a Closed Shop state. A closed shop agreement is a contract between an employer and a labor union that stipulates that the employer will only hire workers from a specific union and those workers can only remain with that employer while they are a part of the union that the agreement covers.

Oklahoma is an Open Shop state, an employer can not force an employee to join a Union even if the business is represented by a Union.

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Jan 17, 2022 19:11:10   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
I hired union. Lot of people mad upset I wouldn't hire them. I payed more had healthcare insurance. No one was forced to join. But lots people wanted the benefits I payed.

She could always go down road get a job.. sounds like she want3d the benifits


Did the Union membership force you to pay higher wages, or provide healthcare? How did hiring Union members benefit your business?

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Jan 17, 2022 19:49:33   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
SteveS wrote:
Did the Union membership force you to pay higher wages, or provide healthcare? How did hiring Union members benefit your business?


They were sk**led they came back each year they were union contracts

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