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Eagle shot, 1000 shutter speed not enough??
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Jan 13, 2022 14:23:18   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I often shoot BIF at 1/500 just to demonstrate wing movement as shown in this pic.



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Jan 14, 2022 00:49:52   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
davidrb wrote:
You've discovered a gold mine. Take off the binders (ISO capped at 1600?) and let the engineers earn their dollars. Try shutter speed 1/2000 and f/11 and have at it with unlimited ISO range. Use your burst mode and fire at will, sometime the results of burst in BIF can be highly rewarding. 1 0f 16 equates to a .0625 batting average. You might never know if this works until you've tried it. Trust your equipment. What have you got to lose?


F/11 is way too much DOF at that distance.

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Jan 14, 2022 00:52:29   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I often shoot BIF at 1/500 just to demonstrate wing movement as shown in this pic.


I definitely prefer a little wing blur with hummingbirds. Those completely frozen shots look strange.

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Jan 14, 2022 06:51:47   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
That's a harsh crop and a difficult back drop - at almost 500m shutter needs to be faster too. Also evidence of shake.
You're on a hiding to nothing if you wanted SOOC.

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Jan 14, 2022 09:20:16   #
d3200prime
 
Here's a link to Steve Perry's crash course on BIF shooting. https://backcountrygallery.com/bird-in-flight-photography-crash-course/

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Jan 14, 2022 10:11:03   #
NSEPhotography Loc: Cebu Philippines
 
Thanks for all the great info.

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Jan 14, 2022 11:37:59   #
artesdecobo
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
Here is the original, I chose F8 since I had decent light but that brings up another question, these grey kinda lit skies in Ohio seem to be deceiving when it comes to settings, I have had some great shots go sour because of overcast but lit up skies. I was thinking F8 would have a better depth of field then 5.3 or 6.0.


I agree with imagemeister. IMHO, your main issues are focus and crop and not in this case shutter speed. With the heavily cluttered background, your focal point is likely "stuck" near the nest (where you were initially focused) as the camera cannot discriminate the bird from the background limbs. Also, you have cropped away 90% of the original image (shooting in raw might also help).

For future BIF attempts, I would definitely increase shutter speed towards 1/3200th (light permitting) and open your ISO cap to a much higher value. Also consider your focal point options as "sometimes", too many focus points not only allow undesirable "off subject" focus grabs but that can also affect your exposure values.

Bubba

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Jan 14, 2022 14:58:18   #
Judy795
 
My experience is that if the eagle takes up less than 1/4 of your frame, unless light and shutter speed are perfect, it will not crop well and the result will be blurry.

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Jan 14, 2022 16:47:55   #
stangage
 
I agree -mostly- with murphle. Most of the image seems blurred. I could fake it a little and argue that the beak back to the white ruff around the neck may be relatively sharp. So from that I'd argue against camera shake.
I find that there are a number of issues that come in to play. Assuming you were using a high speed multishot setting you should look at (if you can) where your focus point actually was for the shot you selected. Sometimes in tracking the bird you can get the focus point off on some branches somewhere. The camera often doesn't care where you focused just that it had something nearby in focus.
My solution is somewhat consistent with what others have suggested
1- get the shutter up to at least 1/1600 or better although in the instance it appears that eagle was gliding so wing movement would not be a problem.
2- get more depth of field. How close were you to the bird? If the camera gets confused with a part of a branch nearby, more depth of field will sometimes compensate.
3- Open up your auto iso range and fall back on Topaz Denoise This will allow the higher f stop and shutter speed with little or no penalty.

I've practiced quite bit with my 5D IV setting for shooting BIFs at Half Moon bay in CA. Generally there, background objects don't come into play. But if, for example, you're targeting one pelican in a group and trying to track one bird, even at 560 mm, it's hard to keep the focus point on the desired target because the image is often pretty small. The introduction of tree branches jsut further complicated the problem. Too many extraneous target for auto focus.

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Jan 14, 2022 18:06:57   #
JimBart Loc: Western Michigan
 
I usually use 1250-1600 shutter speed at f9. I usually fix iso at 400 or 800. I’ve been pretty fortunate as of late.

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Jan 14, 2022 19:51:59   #
RonKoris Loc: St. Helena Island, SC
 
Do you have a filter on this lens, if so take it off and shoot a couple of shots to see if this makes a difference. I had this problem when I was shooting with my 60-600mm Sigma and it made a world of difference.

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Jan 14, 2022 21:32:27   #
Canisdirus
 
BIF... I go 5X my focal length as a minimum...of course I'm not shooting at less than 300mm usually.
You might have panned too hard...or just a shutter ...stutter.
All it takes...

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Jan 15, 2022 02:28:31   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
I was fortunate enough with some locals help to find a new to me eagles nest and was very lucky to find both eagles in the nest eating a fish then one flew to a front branch then took off towards me. I was very disappointed to find my photos a lil blurry or out of focus. I use auto iso capped at 1600 and back button focus and this was the best photo I got from 16 photos taken. 484mm, f8.0, iso 320, 1000 shutter speed & cropped. Using a Canon 6d Mkii and Sigma 150-600C lens. Im hoping that it's the shutter speed that's just a lil slow and not my lens needed work. I had plenty of room to adjust the shutter speed with the iso being so low in good light. Shutter speed to slow?? Thanks
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As you cropped the image so hard, I am wondering why you did not open the lens to full stretch 600mm (or close to). Did you consider the lens to be sharper at 484mm?

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Jan 15, 2022 13:10:57   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
I was fortunate enough with some locals help to find a new to me eagles nest and was very lucky to find both eagles in the nest eating a fish then one flew to a front branch then took off towards me. I was very disappointed to find my photos a lil blurry or out of focus. I use auto iso capped at 1600 and back button focus and this was the best photo I got from 16 photos taken. 484mm, f8.0, iso 320, 1000 shutter speed & cropped. Using a Canon 6d Mkii and Sigma 150-600C lens. Im hoping that it's the shutter speed that's just a lil slow and not my lens needed work. I had plenty of room to adjust the shutter speed with the iso being so low in good light. Shutter speed to slow?? Thanks
I was fortunate enough with some locals help to fi... (show quote)


I start with a shutter speed of 1/4000 for all flying critters. Adjust as the light dictates. I use a D500 and D850, 500pF, 300pF. I find the sweet spot for the 500pF is f 8, the 300pF is 5.6.


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Jan 15, 2022 14:26:15   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
I start with a shutter speed of 1/4000 for all flying critters. Adjust as the light dictates. I use a D500 and D850, 500pF, 300pF. I find the sweet spot for the 500pF is f 8, the 300pF is 5.6.


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