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Jan 13, 2022 08:12:44   #
NSEPhotography Loc: Ohio for now...
 
I was fortunate enough with some locals help to find a new to me eagles nest and was very lucky to find both eagles in the nest eating a fish then one flew to a front branch then took off towards me. I was very disappointed to find my photos a lil blurry or out of focus. I use auto iso capped at 1600 and back button focus and this was the best photo I got from 16 photos taken. 484mm, f8.0, iso 320, 1000 shutter speed & cropped. Using a Canon 6d Mkii and Sigma 150-600C lens. Im hoping that it's the shutter speed that's just a lil slow and not my lens needed work. I had plenty of room to adjust the shutter speed with the iso being so low in good light. Shutter speed to slow?? Thanks


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Jan 13, 2022 08:23:40   #
murphle Loc: Wisconsin
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
I was fortunate enough with some locals help to find a new to me eagles nest and was very lucky to find both eagles in the nest eating a fish then one flew to a front branch then took off towards me. I was very disappointed to find my photos a lil blurry or out of focus. I use auto iso capped at 1600 and back button focus and this was the best photo I got from 16 photos taken. 484mm, f8.0, iso 320, 1000 shutter speed & cropped. Using a Canon 6d Mkii and Sigma 150-600C lens. Im hoping that it's the shutter speed that's just a lil slow and not my lens needed work. I had plenty of room to adjust the shutter speed with the iso being so low in good light. Shutter speed to slow?? Thanks
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What a beautiful opportunity! My first question is would be how big is your crop? With a 26mp full-frame, if you're cropping, you're already losing quality (obviously the same for any camera). In my experience, 1/1000 is not fast enough for a bird in flight. The best images I see and my testing, 1/1600 seems to be a golden ratio. I understand that light doesn't always cooperate and many times we're left wanting. Why F8? I'm unfamiliar with that lens, so I don't know if you would have been able to open it up a little more or if F8 is where you wanted it. The entire image is soft, and looks to me to be camera movement. i.e ss.

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Jan 13, 2022 08:24:24   #
maxlieberman
 
When I shoot BIFs, even large slow ones, the slowest shutter speed i would use would be 1/2500, but mor typically, if the light will allow, 1/3200.

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Jan 13, 2022 08:39:44   #
NSEPhotography Loc: Ohio for now...
 
murphle wrote:
What a beautiful opportunity! My first question is would be how big is your crop? With a 26mp full-frame, if you're cropping, you're already losing quality (obviously the same for any camera). In my experience, 1/1000 is not fast enough for a bird in flight. The best images I see and my testing, 1/1600 seems to be a golden ratio. I understand that light doesn't always cooperate and many times we're left wanting. Why F8? I'm unfamiliar with that lens, so I don't know if you would have been able to open it up a little more or if F8 is where you wanted it. The entire image is soft, and looks to me to be camera movement. i.e ss.
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Here is the original, I chose F8 since I had decent light but that brings up another question, these grey kinda lit skies in Ohio seem to be deceiving when it comes to settings, I have had some great shots go sour because of overcast but lit up skies. I was thinking F8 would have a better depth of field then 5.3 or 6.0.


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Jan 13, 2022 08:40:57   #
NSEPhotography Loc: Ohio for now...
 
maxlieberman wrote:
When I shoot BIFs, even large slow ones, the slowest shutter speed i would use would be 1/2500, but mor typically, if the light will allow, 1/3200.


Thank you, I was hoping it was just me and what a great shot lost to shutter speed mistakes.

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Jan 13, 2022 08:56:13   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
Here is the original, I chose F8 since I had decent light but that brings up another question, these grey kinda lit skies in Ohio seem to be deceiving when it comes to settings, I have had some great shots go sour because of overcast but lit up skies. I was thinking F8 would have a better depth of field then 5.3 or 6.0.


Bigger lens, faster shutter speed.......

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Jan 13, 2022 09:04:38   #
imagemeister Loc: Stuart, Florida
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
Here is the original, I chose F8 since I had decent light but that brings up another question, these grey kinda lit skies in Ohio seem to be deceiving when it comes to settings, I have had some great shots go sour because of overcast but lit up skies. I was thinking F8 would have a better depth of field then 5.3 or 6.0.


Wow, hard to imagine your AF could focus on the bird with this composition !! .....lots of cropping too !!

All the third party 150-600's are not known for great AF (f6.3) - which is also dependent on the body. A CANON (faster) lens would give you better results !

And, yes 1/1000 is a bit slow - especially for a subject coming straight at you. I have done OK with 1/1500.

You are very lucky to get whatever you got !!
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Jan 13, 2022 09:05:20   #
murphle Loc: Wisconsin
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
Here is the original, I chose F8 since I had decent light but that brings up another question, these grey kinda lit skies in Ohio seem to be deceiving when it comes to settings, I have had some great shots go sour because of overcast but lit up skies. I was thinking F8 would have a better depth of field then 5.3 or 6.0.


Indeed you're right and as stated on DOF. I thought that may be what you were doing. My 100-500, at 500mm is at 7.1, so your choice of F8 isn't far off. I have yet to get good light. That looks to be a very large crop. Even if you get the image in perfect focus, you will soften it up with such a large crop.

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Jan 13, 2022 09:06:08   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
First of all, that’s a pretty heavy crop. From that far away why aren’t you zoomed to 600mm. Although it would still be a lot to crop. That lens is 5.6-6.3 I believe. I’d shoot wide open, double your shutter speed and use auto ISO and deal with any noise in post. Really though, for cropping that much you’re really gonna need to work it in post with good denoise and sharpening tools.

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Jan 13, 2022 09:07:34   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
too much crop. Denoise made it look a lot better

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Jan 13, 2022 09:17:01   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
Thank you, I was hoping it was just me and what a great shot lost to shutter speed mistakes.


When shooting birds in general I have my shutter set to 1600 to 2000 and auto ISO. This way I can shoot both stationary and if they take off I'm there. Aperture depends on how close/far the birds are. At least with newer sensors ISO's are a hardly a problem.

This was yesterday, I stationary but 1/5000, f/5.6 and ISO 12,800. The shutter at 5 was a mistake. I did run it through DeNoise but still not bad for the ISO. Used a Canon R5.


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Jan 13, 2022 09:18:17   #
davidrb Loc: Hangar i13
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
I was fortunate enough with some locals help to find a new to me eagles nest and was very lucky to find both eagles in the nest eating a fish then one flew to a front branch then took off towards me. I was very disappointed to find my photos a lil blurry or out of focus. I use auto iso capped at 1600 and back button focus and this was the best photo I got from 16 photos taken. 484mm, f8.0, iso 320, 1000 shutter speed & cropped. Using a Canon 6d Mkii and Sigma 150-600C lens. Im hoping that it's the shutter speed that's just a lil slow and not my lens needed work. I had plenty of room to adjust the shutter speed with the iso being so low in good light. Shutter speed to slow?? Thanks
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You've discovered a gold mine. Take off the binders (ISO capped at 1600?) and let the engineers earn their dollars. Try shutter speed 1/2000 and f/11 and have at it with unlimited ISO range. Use your burst mode and fire at will, sometime the results of burst in BIF can be highly rewarding. 1 0f 16 equates to a .0625 batting average. You might never know if this works until you've tried it. Trust your equipment. What have you got to lose?

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Jan 13, 2022 09:29:24   #
BobPeterson Loc: Massachusetts
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
Here is the original, I chose F8 since I had decent light but that brings up another question, these grey kinda lit skies in Ohio seem to be deceiving when it comes to settings, I have had some great shots go sour because of overcast but lit up skies. I was thinking F8 would have a better depth of field then 5.3 or 6.0.


At f6.3 and 50 yds distance you should have 11feet DOF. If focus is locked on its head you have 5 feet in front of it that will be in focus as it moves towards you.

The other consideration is the speed of the bird. Typical gliding speed is 30mph or 44ft per second coming right at you. In 1/1000th of a second it will move about 1/2" is that enough to render motion softness? I think so.

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Jan 13, 2022 10:00:37   #
NSEPhotography Loc: Ohio for now...
 
All excellent advice. Thank you. I will definitely crank up the iso and shutter speed.

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Jan 13, 2022 10:52:00   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
NSEPhotography wrote:
I was fortunate enough with some locals help to find a new to me eagles nest and was very lucky to find both eagles in the nest eating a fish then one flew to a front branch then took off towards me. I was very disappointed to find my photos a lil blurry or out of focus. I use auto iso capped at 1600 and back button focus and this was the best photo I got from 16 photos taken. 484mm, f8.0, iso 320, 1000 shutter speed & cropped. Using a Canon 6d Mkii and Sigma 150-600C lens. Im hoping that it's the shutter speed that's just a lil slow and not my lens needed work. I had plenty of room to adjust the shutter speed with the iso being so low in good light. Shutter speed to slow?? Thanks
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I often shoot BIF at 1/500 just to demonstrate wing movement as shown in this pic.


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