What is the role of an on line magazine camera critic? And should we trust their conclusions?
For me, there are several reviewers that are generally credible - cross referencing those gives a reasonable overview. By the time I buy equipment, nearly always used, it has been around for a while, and everything to know is known and has been reported numerous times.
zug55
Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
Reviewers certainly have influence, but I doubt that a single reviewer can make or break a camera or lens. We have to keep in mind that reviewers have their own reputation that they build over years. They cannot afford to do a hatchet job without risking their own reputation. So most reviewers have an incentive to get this right.
I review professional books on a regular basis (not in the visual arts) so I understanding the dynamic from a reviewer's point of view. Later today, I will send off a review of a book by a professional friend that disappointed me. This created an obvious dilemma for me. I feel that I have an ethical obligation toward the reader to address the shortcomings of the book, personal relationships notwithstanding.
I am also aware that reviews have a subjective element. Different reviewers legitimately have a different take on a book--or a camera. We all review based on our own professional experience and expertise, but we also judge on the basis of what we think is important. As a reader, you need to be aware of this. So consult multiple reviews in print or on YouTube and draw your own conclusions. I think that most professional readers--or photographers--do that, which limits the impact of any single review.
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Critics can make or break a new camera model or new camera changing concept. What emoluments might they receive from manufacturers in their review processes? Are those disclosed fully. Which concept cameras were discarded because reviews killed the market for a product. When have critics skewed tests to favor one product over another in a visible manner? These are just some of the possible questions in this thread.
Yes, and advertising revenue can make or break a magazine or other publication. And if the review copy of a camera or lens is provided directly from the manufacturer, there is no reason to believe that its performance is representative of the ones that went down the line just before and just after it...that it hasn't been "tweaked" to perform (or measure) better than the typical one bought at retail.
While reviews aren't necessarily evil, they must be considered carefully along with information from other sources.
larryepage wrote:
Yes, and advertising revenue can make or break a magazine or other publication. And if the review copy of a camera or lens is provided directly from the manufacturer, there is no reason to believe that its performance is representative of the ones that went down the line just before and just after it...that it hasn't been "tweaked" to perform (or measure) better than the typical one bought at retail.
While reviews aren't necessarily evil, they must be considered carefully along with information from other sources.
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That's why you read the reviewer's approach and see if they state how they obtained their review copy ...
OldSchool-WI wrote:
One of the greats in photography declared that to test a camera he looked out his NY office window and took a few shots and looked at them. Scientific lens charts and other tests can be tilted toward the strengths or weaknesses of various lenses.Particularly zooms are variable as you well know. And high ISOs can produce artifacts under different conditions and tests can be slanted to favor on camera over another since nearly all critiques compare models. The thread is not a trick--it is to find people who disagree with critics about cameras they own and why.----ew
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All reviews I’ve ever encountered about my numerous cameras do fairly closely match my experience really using those cameras, at least to the depth that the review goes ... which is never very deep.
The problem with reviews is that real use involves things reviewers never think to try. Example would be functionality with non coupled optics. Brand A remains fully functional except that focus and aperture operate manually. But Brand B suffers some additional losses or glitches, clearly unrelated to using a non coupled optic.
Such examples do not indicate dishonesty or carelessness. It simply indicates only that reviews in general cannot tell you much about all the limitations and glitches of real world use.
I’ll usually DL the PDF manual long before buying a camera. Then I can search out the functions that I always customize, to see what conflicts might arise ... conflicts that no reviewer ever encounters.
It’s just not practical to review a camera as if the reviewer were its long time user. So reviews are quite shallow by their very nature, and thus of rather limited value.
I believe that one, single review is NEVER enough. Read several reviews, judge their biases and make your own summary conclusion, then act accordingly.
joecichjr
Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
billnikon wrote:
No, IMHO, critics CANNOT make or break a new camera model.
I have my own mind and read multiple reviews, you will always find some bias in ANY review. You have to take the highs and lows and see what's in the middle.
ie. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, newspaper, magazine, or any where.
I have found if I follow my common sense I am rarely wrong.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
Bottom line, a competent photographer can capture great images with most any modern digital camera.
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CHG_CANON wrote:
If someone buys the cameras with their own money and reviews and posts their results for your review, many times, for free to you, what are you going to do, not trust your own lying eyes? You can always buy the equipment yourself, if you're so much smarter and wealthy. Start your own review website, build the better mousetrap.
It's rather easy to make everything into a Conspiracy when you don't know anything about how things work. Does the sun still travel around the turtle holding up the earth?
If you read the reviewer's profile and background, you can start to remove the veils and blinders from your eyes and step into a bright and shiny world of knowledge and understanding. If still you think there's a bias, account for that bias or change who you spend your time reading. Or again, buy the equipment and do the work yourself. BTW - there are some rather well-respected reviewers that are widely known to be bias-against certain brands. Do you have problems with their credibility too?
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Canon----I made no comment---merely tossed out the subject. We know that political critics follow their publishers' views or get fired. Why not in camera views? And the old adage---those who cannot do---teach? So---this fishing post was to find people who bought against the reviews and were satisfied. In photography---a reviewer is most often a comparison critic, not merely a"reviewer." How many political journalists are merely reporting "only the news without a slant?"----ew
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Canon----I made no comment---merely tossed out the subject. We know that political critics follow their publishers' views or get fired. Why not in camera views? And the old adage---those who cannot do---teach? So---this fishing post was to find people who bought against the reviews and were satisfied. In photography---a reviewer is most often a comparison critic, not merely a"reviewer." How many political journalists are merely reporting "only the news without a slant?"----ew
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Count me in the catch. Details not worth all the space they’d fill up ... and would surely just ignite tangential arguments.
I’ll just say that most (yes most) reviews follow a “party line” about what matters and what represents a shortcoming. The “party line” is not brand related, so it’s not payola. It’s just a herd mind thing.
But I will give a case study about a concept camera introduced by Sony about twenty years ago. It was a mirrorless marvel way ahead of it's time. The series were considered Bridge cameras between pro and consumer. The concept was to take an excellent Zeiss tele Sonnar 28-200mm and couple it with a swivelling mirrorless body and giving the camera other features such as video and infra-red night vision as well as night vision plus built in flash plus hot shoe. The DSC F717 was favorably received so Sony continued by increasing the sensor to 8mpixels (3264x2448 size raw and *.tif files of 23megabytes) and making a special 4 color sensitivity. Then the reviews went sour and they dropped the entire line of mirrorless which twenty years ago were ahead of the times. It listed for about $1000. at the time. Below is a phtoto of this last of the line---the DSC F828---8 megapixel---videoo--infra-red ergonomic swivel lens marvel---the last in the series thanks to the poor reviews. But I enjoy mine greatly. Also it uses CF as well as Sony cards and runs an hour and a half on a charge. And the color rendition is excellent for a Bayer with the added 4 colors.----photo attached.
Sony Mirrorless Concept Camera of 20yrs ago panned by critics and the line discontinued.
OldSchool-WI wrote:
But I will give a case study about a concept camera introduced by Sony about twenty years ago. It was a mirrorless marvel way ahead of it's time. The series were considered Bridge cameras between pro and consumer. The concept was to take an excellent Zeiss tele Sonnar 28-200mm and couple it with a swivelling mirrorless body and giving the camera other features such as video and infra-red night vision as well as night vision plus built in flash plus hot shoe. The DSC F717 was favorably received so Sony continued by increasing the sensor to 8mpixels (3264x2448 size raw and *.tif files of 23megabytes) and making a special 4 color sensitivity. Then the reviews went sour and they dropped the entire line of mirrorless which twenty years ago were ahead of the times. It listed for about $1000. at the time. Below is a phtoto of this last of the line---the DSC F828---8 megapixel---videoo--infra-red ergonomic swivel lens marvel---the last in the series thanks to the poor reviews. But I enjoy mine greatly. Also it uses CF as well as Sony cards and runs an hour and a half on a charge. And the color rendition is excellent for a Bayer with the added 4 colors.----photo attached.
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You imply that bad reviews killed this good camera. Sounds to me more like camera problems killed it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Cyber-shot_DSC-F828
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Canon----I made no comment---merely tossed out the subject. We know that political critics follow their publishers' views or get fired. Why not in camera views? And the old adage---those who cannot do---teach? So---this fishing post was to find people who bought against the reviews and were satisfied. In photography---a reviewer is most often a comparison critic, not merely a"reviewer." How many political journalists are merely reporting "only the news without a slant?"----ew
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I bought my camera against most reviewers and I am happy with my purchase. Still I got information I want out of those reviews and I do not think they lied at all.
One hand washes the other. Bushels of camera problems will kill sales ... but, acoarst, only if the bad news is readily accessible to prospective buyers.
Certainly people did not like an innovative MIRRORLESS camera at that time. The reviews did not help. I find no faults with my camera--the DSC F828--but maybe you would?----ew
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