Requiring ID's is R****T!!
Jan 18, 2022 13:07:38 #
btbg wrote:
You aren't allowed to v**e in either state. You have to v**e in your state of residency. It seems reasonable therefore that any ID used for identification purposes for v****g should be an ID that proves residency. College IDs do not do that.
No. The v****g rolls list who is eligible based on residency/citizenship etc. The id is STRICTLY for identity.
Note that many states allow the use of a hunting license, which does NOT require you to be a resident of that state.
Jan 18, 2022 15:10:05 #
JamesCurran wrote:
No. The v****g rolls list who is eligible based on residency/citizenship etc. The id is STRICTLY for identity.
Note that many states allow the use of a hunting license, which does NOT require you to be a resident of that state.
Note that many states allow the use of a hunting license, which does NOT require you to be a resident of that state.
In Massachusetts you have to r******r to v**e. To do so you need an ID, state your address, provide a utility bill (or similar) for said address with your name on it.
When you v**e, only people listed on the v**er rolls can v**e. If your name isn't there then no v**e for you.
Jan 19, 2022 12:05:29 #
JamesCurran wrote:
No. The v****g rolls list who is eligible based on residency/citizenship etc. The id is STRICTLY for identity.
Note that many states allow the use of a hunting license, which does NOT require you to be a resident of that state.
Note that many states allow the use of a hunting license, which does NOT require you to be a resident of that state.
Have you bothered to look at hunting and fishing licenses? They absolutely tell if you are from the state the license is issued from or not.
My Oregon fishing license lists my address and how long I have lived in the state. Last summer when I went to Alaska and purchased a 10-day license it also showed my address and noted that I was from out of state. So, yes, hunting and fishing licenses both list one's place of residence. So do driver's licenses.
To claim that v**er ID is not also used to prove residency and not just identity flies in the face of what the ID was for in the first place. That ID is how the state establishes residency in the first place when you r******r to v**e.
Jan 19, 2022 12:33:13 #
JamesCurran wrote:
No. The v****g rolls list who is eligible based on residency/citizenship etc. The id is STRICTLY for identity.
Note that many states allow the use of a hunting license, which does NOT require you to be a resident of that state.
Note that many states allow the use of a hunting license, which does NOT require you to be a resident of that state.
You obviously have never purchased a hunting license. You have to PROVE residency to get an In State hunting license. Otherwise you get the more expensive Out Of State hunting license. And it states that right on the license. So yes, a hunting license, if you look at it, is a valid form to establish residency.
Jan 19, 2022 15:30:20 #
btbg wrote:
To claim that v**er ID is not also used to prove residency and not just identity flies in the face of what the ID was for in the first place. That ID is how the state establishes residency in the first place when you r******r to v**e.
Exactly... When you register to v**e. That is the only time you need to prove residency/citizenship. Because that gives the e******ns department weeks to verify it, and therefore they require much less strict Id.
And regardless of what information is provided on the ID, its ONLY purpose in v****g is the confirm the IDENTITY of the v**er. All other necessary information is in the v**er rolls.
Jan 20, 2022 00:57:02 #
JamesCurran wrote:
Exactly... When you register to v**e. That is the only time you need to prove residency/citizenship. Because that gives the e******ns department weeks to verify it, and therefore they require much less strict Id.
And regardless of what information is provided on the ID, its ONLY purpose in v****g is the confirm the IDENTITY of the v**er. All other necessary information is in the v**er rolls.
And regardless of what information is provided on the ID, its ONLY purpose in v****g is the confirm the IDENTITY of the v**er. All other necessary information is in the v**er rolls.
Well, right now it might give give the e******n authorities weeks to verify the address, but if the Democrat's v**er's rights bill is passed then they can r******r to v**e on the day of the e******n.
And, the ID required to prove who you are should be at least as good as the ID required to register in the first place.
Jan 20, 2022 03:01:25 #
btbg wrote:
And, the ID required to prove who you are should be at least as good as the ID required to register in the first place.
Define "as good". They have two entirely different goals and therefore different requirements.
Jan 20, 2022 09:48:37 #
JamesCurran wrote:
Exactly... When you register to v**e. That is the only time you need to prove residency/citizenship. Because that gives the e******ns department weeks to verify it, and therefore they require much less strict Id.
And regardless of what information is provided on the ID, its ONLY purpose in v****g is the confirm the IDENTITY of the v**er. All other necessary information is in the v**er rolls.
And regardless of what information is provided on the ID, its ONLY purpose in v****g is the confirm the IDENTITY of the v**er. All other necessary information is in the v**er rolls.
When you v**e here in Massachusetts the v**er rolls list your address. All v**ers are asked for their address before they are given a b****t. If one of the folks working the polls doesn't recognize you they may ask for ID. I've been in the same town for 40 years. The same lady seems to have worked my district for the last 30 some odd years so I don't normally have to show ID but I do have to declare my residence/address.
Jan 20, 2022 11:40:16 #
JamesCurran wrote:
Define "as good". They have two entirely different goals and therefore different requirements.
They don't have different goals. Both are to prove you are who you say you are and that you have legal residency in the state. How is that different?
Jan 20, 2022 12:20:23 #
btbg wrote:
They don't have different goals. Both are to prove you are who you say you are and that you have legal residency in the state. How is that different?
No. One is to proved residency, and the other is to prove identity.
And how does the Id prove citizenship? If your theory that it's supposed to re-prove all qualifications to v**e, then it would need to prove that as well.
Jan 20, 2022 15:18:50 #
JamesCurran wrote:
No. One is to proved residency, and the other is to prove identity.
And how does the Id prove citizenship? If your theory that it's supposed to re-prove all qualifications to v**e, then it would need to prove that as well.
And how does the Id prove citizenship? If your theory that it's supposed to re-prove all qualifications to v**e, then it would need to prove that as well.
It is obvious that there is no point continuing this discussion. You have your mind made up as do I. For what it's worth, if states didn't do foolish things like allow non-citizens to get drivers licenses and not include on them that they are not citizens there would be no need to prove citizenship when entering a v****g booth as the driver's license itself would be proof of citizenship.
When we lived in Brazil we obtained driver's licenses. However, those licenses clearly showed on them that we were not citizens.
Jan 20, 2022 15:41:12 #
JamesCurran wrote:
No. One is to proved residency, and the other is to prove identity.
And how does the Id prove citizenship? If your theory that it's supposed to re-prove all qualifications to v**e, then it would need to prove that as well.
And how does the Id prove citizenship? If your theory that it's supposed to re-prove all qualifications to v**e, then it would need to prove that as well.
Massachusetts issued Drivers license indicates non-citizen vs citizen. Don't they do that in your state too?
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