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Jan 10, 2022 12:10:47   #
MrPhotog
 
There was a posting on zdnet ( link is below) which might be of interest to photographers, as well as the computer geeks.

Sites such as facebook have been using artificial intelligence for years to sift through and match photos. This essay deals with other current uses, and proposed future uses and possible concerns.

It is a thought provoking read.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/we-trust-cameras-to-record-our-memories-but-they-need-to-understand-what-life-really-looks-like/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=%7B%24external_id%7D&mid=%7B%24MESSAGE_ID%7D&cid=%7B%24contact_id%7D&eh=%7B%24CF_emailHash%7D

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Jan 10, 2022 13:15:27   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Modern technology is amazing at what it has us believe that it can do. And, what it does for its intended purpose works well.

In all reality, I think it will take a lot longer for technology to replace a knowledgeable photographer with a reasonable camera.
--Bob
MrPhotog wrote:
There was a posting on zdnet ( link is below) which might be of interest to photographers, as well as the computer geeks.

Sites such as facebook have been using artificial intelligence for years to sift through and match photos. This essay deals with other current uses, and proposed future uses and possible concerns.

It is a thought provoking read.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/we-trust-cameras-to-record-our-memories-but-they-need-to-understand-what-life-really-looks-like/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=%7B%24external_id%7D&mid=%7B%24MESSAGE_ID%7D&cid=%7B%24contact_id%7D&eh=%7B%24CF_emailHash%7D
There was a posting on zdnet ( link is below) whic... (show quote)

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Jan 10, 2022 13:23:19   #
Mac Loc: Hernando County Florida
 
MrPhotog wrote:
There was a posting on zdnet ( link is below) which might be of interest to photographers, as well as the computer geeks.

Sites such as facebook have been using artificial intelligence for years to sift through and match photos. This essay deals with other current uses, and proposed future uses and possible concerns.

It is a thought provoking read.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/we-trust-cameras-to-record-our-memories-but-they-need-to-understand-what-life-really-looks-like/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=%7B%24external_id%7D&mid=%7B%24MESSAGE_ID%7D&cid=%7B%24contact_id%7D&eh=%7B%24CF_emailHash%7D
There was a posting on zdnet ( link is below) whic... (show quote)


It all depends on what you want to be, a photographer or a computer operator.

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Jan 10, 2022 13:45:50   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
MrPhotog wrote:
There was a posting on zdnet ( link is below) which might be of interest to photographers, as well as the computer geeks.

Sites such as facebook have been using artificial intelligence for years to sift through and match photos. This essay deals with other current uses, and proposed future uses and possible concerns.

It is a thought provoking read.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/we-trust-cameras-to-record-our-memories-but-they-need-to-understand-what-life-really-looks-like/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=%7B%24external_id%7D&mid=%7B%24MESSAGE_ID%7D&cid=%7B%24contact_id%7D&eh=%7B%24CF_emailHash%7D
There was a posting on zdnet ( link is below) whic... (show quote)


Since we already have camera AI that identifies cars, birds, planes, helmets, and other items, it is only a matter of time before all the other AI photography items happen. What is the more uncertain AI is whether the AI outside of the photography will be beneficial or terminal for mankind.

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Jan 10, 2022 15:44:34   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Mac wrote:
It all depends on what you want to be, a photographer or a computer operator.


If someone is using a modern digital DSLR or mirrorless camera they are already a computer operator. Cameras today have auto focus, auto ISO, auto whiteblance, semi auto modes like aperture priority and shutter priority, exposure compensation, HDR features, film emulations, face detection, focus that locks on to moving objects, and dozens of other computer controlled features. If photographers don't want to be computer operators they should use something like my Pentax K1000, bought decades ago, which is completely manual.

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Jan 10, 2022 16:59:13   #
BebuLamar
 
mwsilvers wrote:
If someone is using a modern digital DSLR or mirrorless camera they are already a computer operator. Cameras today have auto focus, auto ISO, auto whiteblance, semi auto modes like aperture priority and shutter priority, exposure compensation, HDR features, film emulations, face detection, focus that locks on to moving objects, and dozens of other computer controlled features. If photographers don't want to be computer operators they should use something like my Pentax K1000, bought decades ago, which is completely manual.
If someone is using a modern digital DSLR or mirro... (show quote)


I use my Pentax KX but not the K1000.

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Jan 10, 2022 17:25:05   #
Mac Loc: Hernando County Florida
 
mwsilvers wrote:
If someone is using a modern digital DSLR or mirrorless camera they are already a computer operator. Cameras today have auto focus, auto ISO, auto whiteblance, semi auto modes like aperture priority and shutter priority, exposure compensation, HDR features, film emulations, face detection, focus that locks on to moving objects, and dozens of other computer controlled features. If photographers don't want to be computer operators they should use something like my Pentax K1000, bought decades ago, which is completely manual.
If someone is using a modern digital DSLR or mirro... (show quote)



I was thinking about that after I made that post. Can any digital image be considered a photograph? A picture, yes. An image, yes. But a photograph? I don’t know. No photographic film, no photographic paper, no photographic chemicals, Maybe I need get out my Olympus OM-1 to be able to take a photograph.

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Jan 11, 2022 07:36:15   #
ELNikkor
 
rmalarz wrote:
Modern technology is amazing at what it has us believe that it can do. And, what it does for its intended purpose works well.

In all reality, I think it will take a lot longer for technology to replace a knowledgeable photographer with a reasonable camera.
--Bob


...and, percentage-wise, "knowledgeable photographers" are in serious decline...

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Jan 11, 2022 07:44:34   #
Canisdirus
 
In case anyone missed it...photography has jumped from analog to digital...completely different animal and technology timeline.

Younger folks don't care...they like change...constant change.
Older folks don't...

You can be a luddite in response to digital...
But it doesn't matter...it will continue unabated...without you.

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Jan 11, 2022 07:47:03   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
The future is already here, but as time goes on, photography will get more futuristic. At this point why would anyone but the most foolhardy lovers of dial telephones mess with the machinations of PS when plugins make life simple and actions do multi-multi steps automatically?

Wow, that is a long sentence! Grammar check says there are 4 suggestions available to premium users... so AI is there now messing with my writing... Dylan says "Don't stand in the doorway the times are a changin"

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Jan 11, 2022 07:53:01   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Mac wrote:
It all depends on what you want to be, a photographer or a computer operator.


I don't think it is an either/or situation. The older argument was between being a photographer/retoucher/darkroom person/chemist. I think a well rounded photographer uses and masters as many tools as possible to make the best results. Using a computer should be regarded as just another tool in the toolbox. Already it is fairly easy to discern between those that do and those that don't, and most of those that do with care consistently produce more eye-pleasing images.

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Jan 11, 2022 07:54:19   #
ELNikkor
 
Right!

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Jan 11, 2022 08:04:54   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Mac wrote:

I was thinking about that after I made that post. Can any digital image be considered a photograph? A picture, yes. An image, yes. But a photograph? I don’t know. No photographic film, no photographic paper, no photographic chemicals, Maybe I need get out my Olympus OM-1 to be able to take a photograph.


By the same logic, can a photograph be considered a painting or a watercolor? Artists and art critics used to ponder this in the late 1800s. Embrace it and don't lose sleep over it.

BTW, the digital process can use both photo paper (Silver Halide Professional Photo Papers including Kodak Endura, Royal, Fuji Crystal Archive and Mitsubishi Grace) and chemicals (C41 and RA4 chemistry, ink, roll on protectorant, etc). It's not all inkjet.

The current raw capture is roughly equivalent to the latent image on a piece of film, and the initial process of converting the capture into a positive raster image could be considered chemical-free negative/positive processing.

It's all about how you choose to look at it . . .

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Jan 11, 2022 08:08:11   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
ELNikkor wrote:
...and, percentage-wise, "knowledgeable photographers" are in serious decline...


Source for this, please . . .

Please define "knowledgeable photographers" - there are those that are truly "knowledgeable photographers" and those that consider themselves as being part of that "cub".


Maybe as a proportion to "all" photographers, but I think there are more knowledgeable photographers as a proportion to the population in the world today as compared to maybe 50 yrs ago.

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Jan 11, 2022 08:10:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Oddly, it went the other way, digital to analog. Film photography is digital and Digital photography is analog.
--Bob
Canisdirus wrote:
In case anyone missed it...photography has jumped from analog to digital...completely different animal and technology timeline.

Younger folks don't care...they like change...constant change.
Older folks don't...

You can be a luddite in response to digital...
But it doesn't matter...it will continue unabated...without you.

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