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Dec 3, 2021 16:49:12   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
goldstar46 wrote:
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Blaster

When you wrote... "go to the Wabasso bridges (NW side)"


Sorry, SR 510 out of Wabasso going over the Indian River Lagoon to the beach, A1A and the Disney Beach Club. The first bridge (west bridge) will put you on the west side of the lagoon with no trees in your way. Like I say, its ~42 miles from the launch pad. Atlas V schedule for 0400 launch on Sunday and I'm heading up to the Pineda Causeway and see how that will look, its about ~19 miles from the launch pad. The Atlas rocket track will be generally east so as long as I'm not due west of the rocket, should get an arc.

I've also taken pretty good photos from the Melbourne Causeway, US 192, at the Indian River, its my other choice for photographing nighttime rocket arcs, also an excellent location and easy to get to....Cheers

ps, at the Melbourne Causeway, there's a park on the right and you have a short walk under the bridge to the north side with NO obstructions across the river (about 26 miles from the pad).

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Dec 3, 2021 18:35:58   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Blaster34 wrote:
Sorry, SR 510 out of Wabasso going over the Indian River Lagoon to the beach, A1A and the Disney Beach Club. The first bridge (west bridge) will put you on the west side of the lagoon with no trees in your way. Like I say, its ~42 miles from the launch pad. Atlas V schedule for 0400 launch on Sunday and I'm heading up to the Pineda Causeway and see how that will look, its about ~19 miles from the launch pad. The Atlas rocket track will be generally east so as long as I'm not due west of the rocket, should get an arc.

I've also taken pretty good photos from the Melbourne Causeway, US 192, at the Indian River, its my other choice for photographing nighttime rocket arcs, also an excellent location and easy to get to....Cheers

ps, at the Melbourne Causeway, there's a park on the right and you have a short walk under the bridge to the north side with NO obstructions across the river (about 26 miles from the pad).
Sorry, SR 510 out of Wabasso going over the Indian... (show quote)


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Good Info, and YES, I believe I agree with your suggestion of the Pineda Causeway. First, you will be only 13 mi from LC 41, and as for what I can see on Google Earth ~ somewhat of a 'clear shot'... But, because it appears that that location is 'well used' as a 'launch viewing' known location... would have to get there early... LOL

I think that would be my first consideration for a location over SR 510.. Mainly because of the distance... All things said, and equal, the golden rule is when you are closer to your subject, you have much better clarity and less haze/obstruction in the way... Sound Good

Followup question... Did you say that you use a 'wide angel lens' back area SR510?? and how much was your published image 'cropped' as compared to the original image in the camera ??

TIA

George

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Dec 3, 2021 19:44:31   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
goldstar46 wrote:
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Good Info, and YES, I believe I agree with your suggestion of the Pineda Causeway. First, you will be only 13 mi from LC 41, and as for what I can see on Google Earth ~ somewhat of a 'clear shot'... But, because it appears that that location is 'well used' as a 'launch viewing' known location... would have to get there early... LOL

I think that would be my first consideration for a location over SR 510.. Mainly because of the distance... All things said, and equal, the golden rule is when you are closer to your subject, you have much better clarity and less haze/obstruction in the way... Sound Good

Followup question... Did you say that you use a 'wide angel lens' back area SR510?? and how much was your published image 'cropped' as compared to the original image in the camera ??

TIA

George
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George, Pineda Causeway may look well used but for night shots, not sure, but the early bird gets the worm, especially for rocket launches...The Melbourne Causeway, 192 , as I said earlier, is also an excellent spot.

My camera was set to 24mm (RX-10IV), I cropped it about 10% and only cut some of the sky down, otherwise, its approximately the size when it came out of the camera, processed with a little Topaz Denoise.

Attached is a shot I took with the Sony A7III, 24mm from the Melbourne, US 192 Causeway and cropped very little. I now only use the RX-10. I could have lowered the camera some and got a little more lagoon in the frame but still learning, always learning. With night launches you get ONE chance for an arc. If you're close, 24mm maybe too large a lens, I find that 24mm works well and good for over two minutes of exposure/flight. By that time, the rocket looks just like another star in the sky. Focus is the hard part for me, so I take a lot of practice shots before the launch and preview them and tape down the focus ring after I get the distance shot I want....

PM me if you have any further questions George....Cheers



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Dec 4, 2021 16:08:20   #
ygelman Loc: new -- North of Poughkeepsie!
 
AlanW wrote:
I think this is what you should expect. The rocket went up to the right so it spread the reflection to the right. There is nothing in the left side of the sky to reflect in the left side water. Great shot btw...especially from 42 miles away!

Alan


I agree that Alan's explanation is correct. For instance: Instead of that bright trail, if there were a very tall tree (and in the daytime of course), you would not expect any of the tree's reflection on the left side, but you would see the reflection of the tree on the right side (affected, of course, by ripples/waves in the water).

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Dec 4, 2021 17:08:52   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
ygelman wrote:
I agree that Alan's explanation is correct. For instance: Instead of that bright trail, if there were a very tall tree (and in the daytime of course), you would not expect any of the tree's reflection on the left side, but you would see the reflection of the tree on the right side (affected, of course, by ripples/waves in the water).



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Dec 4, 2021 19:18:23   #
B1strong Loc: Las Vegas, NV
 
Pretty cool shot.

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Dec 4, 2021 19:58:57   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
B1strong wrote:
Pretty cool shot.


Thank you B1

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Dec 5, 2021 22:34:32   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Blaster34 wrote:
A SpaceX Falcon 9 launch this evening at 1812 eastern time from Cape Canaveral. Shot was taken from 42 miles away across the Indian River Estuary. My RX-10 was set on bulb and shutter triggered with a remote release. 24mm (35mm eqiv) ISO 100/F-9/125 sec exposure...What's interesting and my question is why is there a dividing line in the rocket reflection on the water? I would have thought the entire water would have been lit up. Any idea of what I did, if any that would have caused this? A Camera issue? Operator error? I understand focus could be a little better.

Comments, positive and negative critique are welcome. There are a few more night launches in the next week or so, so I'll have another opportunity to get a little more practice.....Cheers Everyone...
A SpaceX Falcon 9 launch this evening at 1812 east... (show quote)


Nice picture.

The division of light happened because there was nothing to reflect on the other side.
During the whole 125 seconds exposure, the light from the engines are moving and reflecting only towards the right side.
A spot of light in the sky will appear as many small reflections stacked horizontally in the water because the waves creates many reflecting surface of just the right angle to the viewer. In a long exposure, that spot if moving will create a line in the sky. In the water, the vertical stack of reflections will be cumulative and record as a wide continues bright surface that fades out as the light becomes dimmer and its angle of incidence no longer reflecting the light to the camera.



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Dec 6, 2021 06:11:07   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
Wallen wrote:
Nice picture.

The division of light happened because there was nothing to reflect on the other side.
During the whole 125 seconds exposure, the light from the engines are moving and reflecting only towards the right side.
A spot of light in the sky will appear as many small reflections stacked horizontally in the water because the waves creates many reflecting surface of just the right angle to the viewer. In a long exposure, that spot if moving will create a line in the sky. In the water, the vertical stack of reflections will be cumulative and record as a wide continues bright surface that fades out as the light becomes dimmer and its angle of incidence no longer reflecting the light to the camera.
Nice picture. br br The division of light happene... (show quote)



Ahhh, click, cue the light bulb... ...Great explanation, Thank you very much Wallen.

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Dec 6, 2021 11:17:18   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Blaster34 wrote:
Ahhh, click, cue the light bulb... ...Great explanation, Thank you very much Wallen.



Good luck and looking forward to your next launch pics.

Correction, It should be: many small reflections stacked "vertically"

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Dec 6, 2021 12:57:52   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
Wallen wrote:

Good luck and looking forward to your next launch pics.

Correction, It should be: many small reflections stacked "vertically"


Thanks, Wallen, they keep delaying the 0400 Atlas launch daily and most notifications are not until late, that early rising at 0200 is getting old...

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