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Nov 26, 2021 17:24:30   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
PHRubin wrote:
I agree that the image could be sharper. I'm not sure a "better" camera would do better. There are 2 things I would do different.

First, the f/4 is probably wide open or close to it. That is the worst setting for depth of field. I would try again with a smaller aperture.
Second, I would also try a fasted shutter speed to minimize blur from any motion, camera or subject.

Both of those would require higher ISO, but I'm sure you could go up on it without getting into distracting noise.
I agree that the image could be sharper. I'm not s... (show quote)


If I were shooting the bird I would do as above using spot focus.

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Nov 26, 2021 17:53:21   #
wcastro
 
To Thomas102

Who the hell appointed you dictator of uglyhedgehog, I was just giving my opinion.

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Nov 26, 2021 17:58:00   #
BebuLamar
 
joer wrote:
You just don't have enough lens to achieve your expectations. The solution is a longer lens not a new camera. Look for a used 200-500 Nikon.


So it's not the photographer nor the camera it's the lens?

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Nov 26, 2021 17:58:21   #
williejoha
 
Training, training and some more training.
WJH

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Nov 26, 2021 19:38:18   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
Geosailor wrote:
I'm in the market for a new camera - the attached was recently taken with a D7000 using a 16-80mm AF-S Nikkor DX zoom at 80mm - from roughly 50 or so feet away. This particular picture was one of 40 or 50 exposures of the subject at various f-stops, etc. - and IMHO was the best I could do. But, setting aside the intended depth-of-field blur in the foreground and background, the eagle itself has some room for improvement in resolution.

I'm considering upgrading to either the second generation version of the Z6 or Z7, but I just don't have enough experience to have a "gut-feel" on whether the lower cost Z6 II (with an FX lens at 80mm) would provide the improvement I'm looking for, loosely defined as "holy cow, I had no idea!" - versus the more expensive Z7 II. I've no need to chase resolution for its own sake - nor do I print poster-size photographs, but if the Z7 II is the right answer, so be it. I'm just your typical enthusiast who hikes around Maine and occasionally runs across subjects or landscapes that deserve a photograph and would like to see some demonstrable improvement in resolution over my current equipment.

I've got some older Nikon FX glass - so I'd like to stick with that brand. I also realize I'm asking a subjective question, but with most comparisons of the two cameras mired in technical cha-cha that I'm not experienced enough to understand, I need it dumbed-down to my level. And because I don't have access to these cameras for real-world comparative analysis, I'm left with getting opinions from folks with more experience. Thanks much.
I'm in the market for a new camera - the attached ... (show quote)


Before investing in a Nikon Z, I suggest you read up on exposure for your existing camera and how you control your DOF and exposure in manual or apature priority mode. As others have suggested, your current camera should give you good results.
Best wishes.
Mundy

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Nov 26, 2021 19:46:54   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...I don't have access to these cameras for real-world comparative analysis..." Actually you do Geosailor... Rent before your even think of buying... Even then go with "Previously Owned" from a vendor who will allow you to return it if it doesn't meet your expectations... i.e. KEH; mbp; B&H ect...

"...I'm in the market for a new camera..." Why Geosailor, your D7000 is more than capable (in skilled hands) of turning this hat trick without even breathing hard. It's your optic that is limiting... as Paul mentioned "Bird" photography starts at 400mm (minimum).

"...I'm left with getting opinions from folks with more experience..." Something that is typically in short supply... Unless you pony up the fee for a "Hands On" seminar from the likes of a highly skilled "Bird" photographer such as Steve Perry https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user-profile?usernum=60547 Get on Steve's web site if you are serious about bird photography.

I would also suggest you join flickr and become a member of many of the groups devoted to "Bird" photography... Study their masterful work... The best thing about flickr is there is very little BS since flickr posts the actual EXIF data from the photographs... So you get a valid window into what it takes.

Food for thought: Wildlife photography is for those who are independently wealthy... It (along with Sports photography) demands Pro-Level kit. Maybe rethink going down the bottomless rabbit hole... Just saying...

Final thoughts? Your D7000 can easily handle this mundane shot of a "Sitting Duck" or eagle in your case... You seriously need to capture your Bird In Fight otherwise referred to "BIF" to gain any real traction or recognition from your photographer "peers" As others have said, you actually may need considerably more training, NOT a new camera, albeit consider a decent optic (that can approach reaching an "angle of view" of over 400mm.)

Below is a BIF capture with a D7000... Your issue isn't with the D7000 Geosailor... It's with the optic you decided to mate to it... and very possibly your skill-set: Oft said "It's a poor craftsman who blames this tools for want of success..."

Hope this helps... and please give flickr a try, there you'll find some breathtaking imagery and talent...
One of the many flickr "birding" groups https://www.flickr.com/groups/bird_photography_excellence/
Cheers!
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Good advice.
Mundy

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Nov 26, 2021 20:52:34   #
MJPerini
 
Your camera is capable of getting good pictures. The Z6 II & Z7 II are superb cameras with more sophisticated focusing and higher resolution. But before you go that route if you want to do bird or wildlife photography you are going to need a GOOD longer lens. You could rent one for a week or two and practice. Someone suggested the second version of the 70-300 which is a good lens, but f/5.6 wide open at the long end so stopping down 1 or 2 stops puts you at f/8 or f/11 --then you are pushing ISO or shutter speed.
You might be better off renting a 70-200 f/2.8 just to get a feel for what your camera can do with a good lens.
There is no substitute for practice, use a tripod, if you can find an experienced friend that helps even more.
Kit type variable aperture zooms with a long range are rarely really good. Bird photography isn't easy and lots of reach is your friend, but it gets expensive fast. So thats why I'm suggesting renting.
Good luck

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Nov 27, 2021 05:19:10   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
imagemeister wrote:
Resolution has to do with pixel density - whether it be a crop sensor or full frame. Your D7000 has MORE pixel density than most Full frame sensors ! The other parts of resolution are focus, shutter speed/stabilized camera, software and proper application, and lens optical quality. In your case, there are many optically "better" lenses - mostly non-zoom prime lenses.
Regarding Z series cameras, they would be an upgrade for YOU only if they had a Full frame sensor with 46+ MP sensor and/or using a Z native lens. The Z50 crop frame pixel density WOULD be an upgrade and further, with Z lens to match.
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Resolution has to do with pixel density - whether ... (show quote)


This was done with a D70s and an a Nikkor 18-70 F3.5-4.5, at F4.5 and 1/1600, ISO 200. Keep in mind that the camera is only 6 mp.


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Nov 27, 2021 09:01:48   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Gene51 wrote:
This was done with a D70s and an a Nikkor 18-70 F3.5-4.5, at F4.5 and 1/1600, ISO 200. Keep in mind that the camera is only 6 mp.


Nice shot but much better lighting and contrast than the OP's.

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Nov 27, 2021 13:15:05   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Gene51 wrote:
This was done with a D70s and an a Nikkor 18-70 F3.5-4.5, at F4.5 and 1/1600, ISO 200. Keep in mind that the camera is only 6 mp.


Why 1/1600 @ 4.5 ??? .....Were you expecting to get them in flight ??
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Nov 27, 2021 16:02:42   #
k2edm Loc: FN32AD
 
Longshadow wrote:


Wide open at ƒ4 I'm sure didn't help.
1/160 hand held? Or on a tripod?


yeh, my thoughts also.... camera shake?????????? my best guess

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Nov 27, 2021 16:09:55   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
This was done with a D70s and an a Nikkor 18-70 F3.5-4.5, at F4.5 and 1/1600, ISO 200. Keep in mind that the camera is only 6 mp.


Nice capture ⭐⭐⭐⭐

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Nov 27, 2021 18:06:50   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
imagemeister wrote:
Why 1/1600 @ 4.5 ??? .....Were you expecting to get them in flight ??
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I didn't take the pic - my 19 yr old son took it while studying abroad in China. He was new to photography.

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Nov 27, 2021 18:31:08   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
gvarner wrote:
Nice shot but much better lighting and contrast than the OP's.


Different lighting and less contrast. Keep in mind that this and the previous shot were taken by a 19 yr old (my son) while he was studying abroad in Chengdu, China, and with only a month or two's experience as a photographer. The image is uncropped.


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Nov 27, 2021 23:33:12   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
Gene51 wrote:
Different lighting and less contrast. Keep in mind that this and the previous shot were taken by a 19 yr old (my son) while he was studying abroad in Chengdu, China, and with only a month or two's experience as a photographer. The image is uncropped.


Very nice images by your son.
Mundy

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