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Nov 24, 2021 12:00:35   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
When I worked at a professional photo lab in the late 1990's, it seemed to me that there were just as many professional female photographers as there were professional men photographers at the time. Although sports photographers were predominantly men, portrait photographers were most often women. Especially those who specialized in family or model photography, which requires more personal interaction with the subject.

Perhaps women photographers are less inclined to teach photography or brag about their camera equipment than men, which then makes it only appear as if they are in the minority.

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Nov 24, 2021 12:15:58   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
cahale wrote:
What's the other 4.2%? Martians? Politician? Unisex?


Please see posts # 5 and #7 on page 1 for the answer to your question.

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Nov 24, 2021 12:24:44   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
quixdraw wrote:
You want scary ...source KTZV from Erudera (an Education Web site)

The study finds 59.5 percent of U.S. college students were women in 2021, while 40.5 percent were men.
Male students at US colleges declined from 42 percent of all enrollments in spring 2019 to 41.4 percent in 2020 and 40.5 percent this year.
Statistics show that 400,000 fewer male students were recorded in 2021, compared to year earlier.
Overall, US universities and colleges saw 1.5 million fewer students compared to five years ago, with men's enrollment falling by 71 percent.
You want scary ...source KTZV from Erudera (an Edu... (show quote)


And why is this scary?

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Nov 24, 2021 12:30:11   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
via the lens wrote:
And why is this scary?


For various reasons, possibly most obvious, the continuation of the species. Birth rates in a great many places are already below replacement level. Like tends to attract like, education being one factor. Children are the future and require support and nurture.

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Nov 24, 2021 13:14:28   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
It's 2021 Folks- It ain't the bad old days.

I have no access to statistics but I am observant. In my professional associations, there are many women who are very accomplished and well-credentialed. Occasionally I speak at various camera clubs where many women are active. In my city, there is a young woman who has excelled in nature and wildlife photography. She has become the in-house photographer for the Canadian Geographic magazine, has won numerous awards and has had her images of polar bears selected for a series of commemorative postage stamps by the Canada Post Corporation.

I really do not believe that women are necessarily better at weddings and children's photography because of their gender. WHEN they are good shooters, and there are many of them, it is because of ther talent and technical skills and there are many men who excel at those specialties as well. The old stereotypes are hopefully gone.

My next-door neighbour is a 25-year old aerospace engineer. The other neighbour is a female Chiropractor. A few years ago, I required some surgery- my doctor (the surgeon) is a lady! When I hire staff, my criteria have nothing whatever to do with gender or sexual orientation. I look no further than their qualifications and the portfolio.

Lately, I have been dog lots of industrial photogrh on construction and heavy manufacturing sites and the ladies are there doing the work!

My marshall arts instructor is a petite and pretty lady! She holds a 4-dan Black Belt.

Even in the old days think of names like Imogen Cunningham, Diane Arbus, Constance Bannister, Dorothea Lange, Anne Lebowitz, Berenice Abbot, Margret Bourke-White, and Anne Geddes- just to name a few!

Listen up guys, y'all better do your work well because the girls are coming for your jobs!

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Nov 24, 2021 13:44:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
quixdraw wrote:
For various reasons, possibly most obvious, the continuation of the species. Birth rates in a great many places are already below replacement level. Like tends to attract like, education being one factor. Children are the future and require support and nurture.


I’m not worried. College is less and less relevant to many men for many reasons.

Many schools have raised their prices and lowered their standards over the years. My 23 year-old twins encountered that. One of them is learning more from watching YouTube than he did in classes. He’s disgusted at the money he spent on intellectual pablum.

The job market has shifted, too, toward technical skills and away from liberal arts. The trades are looking more attractive than at any time since the 1960s began.

I’m sure there are other factors, too.

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Nov 24, 2021 20:26:16   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
quixdraw wrote:
You want scary ...source KTZV from Erudera (an Education Web site)

The study finds 59.5 percent of U.S. college students were women in 2021, while 40.5 percent were men.
Male students at US colleges declined from 42 percent of all enrollments in spring 2019 to 41.4 percent in 2020 and 40.5 percent this year.
Statistics show that 400,000 fewer male students were recorded in 2021, compared to year earlier.
Overall, US universities and colleges saw 1.5 million fewer students compared to five years ago, with men's enrollment falling by 71 percent.
You want scary ...source KTZV from Erudera (an Edu... (show quote)


I’m guessing that the increasing cost (astronomical for top tier schools) of higher education for those that don’t get scholarships is partly responsible for that decline.

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Nov 24, 2021 23:06:15   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
burkphoto wrote:
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead?

The field of professional photography rapidly grew more female after about 1980, and accelerated its shift in the 2000s. I saw this over the years that I attended the old Photo Marketing Association International conventions and trade shows. (PMAI is now defunct, having merged into the Consumer Electronics Show in the early-mid 2010s.)

I worked for a large school portrait company (actually three companies that merged one to the other to the other) from 1979-2012. When we shifted from film and optical production technologies in the mid '90s to mid-'00s, MANY older photographers could not handle the shift to use of computers tethered to cameras. Many of our lab personnel refused to believe their jobs were going away if they didn't learn to use computers. The folks who replaced both photographers and lab personnel who didn't face reality were predominantly younger and female, because they were more likely to have keyboard and computer skills.

I am SO glad I learned to type at the age of eight and caught the wave of personal computers with the Apple II, Mac, and PC in my 20s. That put me way ahead of my peers who thought they would never need keyboards. When our first company sold us to our second company, the second company required all managers and supervisors to be computer literate and to use email and spreadsheets. We went from five secretaries and administrative assistants down to one. Several managers went to night school at company expense.

I trained a lot of photographers, operations leaders, customer service staff, production workers, and sales people. Probably 80% were female. Quite honestly, they were more trainable than the guys...
What are the other 4.2 percent? Dead? br br The f... (show quote)


Primates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTiZqCQsfa8

That's why they call it "chimping" when reviewing images on the camera immediately after taking them . . .

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Nov 24, 2021 23:07:15   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Gene51 wrote:
Primates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTiZqCQsfa8

That's why they call it "chimping" when reviewing images on the camera immediately after taking them . . .



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Nov 24, 2021 23:11:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
I’m guessing that the increasing cost (astronomical for top tier schools) of higher education for those that don’t get scholarships is partly responsible for that decline.


Yep. My kid wanted to go to SCAD, the Savannah College of Art and Design, for filmmaking. It was $40,000+ per year. He took one semester and changed course because it was not worth the money. He's at UNC Charlotte now. Most of his classes are virtual, and he's living here, so I get to hear them on occasion. I cringe at the "dumbed downness" of some of them. So does he. He's corrected a professor more than once. That is an awkward and painful thing to do (but necessary!).

I watched an interview with a pro photographer the other day. She has a degree from the (now defunct) Brooks Institute of Photography, but considers it a waste of money. She swears that everything she really learned, she learned on her own, by reading, then doing, and reviewing her work and the work of others. I don't doubt it.

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Nov 24, 2021 23:17:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Gene51 wrote:
Primates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTiZqCQsfa8

That's why they call it "chimping" when reviewing images on the camera immediately after taking them . . .


Rolling on the floor laughing!

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Nov 25, 2021 00:07:14   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
I'm still waiting to hear from more women here. Come on, please don't be shy.

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Nov 25, 2021 01:33:02   #
wide2tele Loc: Australia
 
Here is what I strongly believe for forums:

There were plenty of women on forums back in the early 2000's of all ages when photography was mostly with film.
Digital photography greatly changed things with alpha-photo-males wanting to demonstrate their expertise with digital photography and digital editing. It was the introduction of GAS.
Forums went from being fun, chatty places about all things photography to becoming all about tech and who is the biggest expert.
With this change came hostility and most women simply didn't want any part of it. The men continued on bickering.

The vibe online completely changed and is quite volatile on many forums today. That forums are mainly used by older enthusiasts makes it even worse. I have learned to stay clear of forums dominated by 60+ year olds for any hobby. I make this place my only exception.

I took a little attention away from modern gear in a couple of posts and must've been attacked for doing so after my first or second post. It's the way it is now. I don't expect women to ever come back in any great numbers unfortunately.

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Nov 25, 2021 05:45:16   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
If familiar with the Nikon D3 and D700 you should know that a woman was involved in their development and manufacture.

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Nov 25, 2021 06:15:37   #
ELNikkor
 
I dabbled with the prospect of having photography as a career, but was also interested in being a teacher. Being more art than business minded, it seemed that trying to support myself and a family with my camera might add stress and take away the joy of photography. As a career elementary teacher, I had less stress, more time with the family, and became the go-to school photographer/yearbook advisor/multi-media producer/darkroom technician wherever I went. Best of both worlds for me; no regrets.

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