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Nov 24, 2021 11:10:53   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Shooter41 wrote:
I had never shot an image at 1/3200 of a second in my life, before last evening. I did it for the first time last night and it improved my indoor soccer photography image quality and percentage of focused images, noticeably. Surprise! Surprise! (ISO 3200; Aperature F2.0; Shutter speed 1/3200 second; Focal length 135mm)

In preparation for the indoor soccer season to open on December 18, 2021 in Wichita, Kansas. I decided to take advantage of my home teams practice and attend with the intention of: (a) shooting from a lower angle to add drama (b) shooting from a high angle to add context and (c) trying new camera and lens settings in an attempt to get more images in tack sharp focus.

I set aside my usual worries about excessive "noise" and simply went for images that meet the requirements of the players and management I am shooting for. I would appreciate the many excellent sports photographers on UHH sharing their thoughts on tricks they have learned to get the right exposure; tack sharpness; on their high action sports images, that might benefit me. I thank you in advance. Shooter41
I had never shot an image at 1/3200 of a second in... (show quote)


Excellent shot. Something I didn't see mentioned that you night want to look into, using Google and Youtube.com, is referred to as, "peak of the action" in soccer photography, if you aren't already familiar with the term. It can offer you a means of economizing on you exposure triangle settings and still getting your desired results. If you've played the game or previously studied it, you'll be way ahead. If you've done neither, perhaps you will benefit dramatically by taking my suggestion to look into the term. Another thing I would suggest is to visit the sports section here in uhh to pose your questions and engage in pertinent discussions with other soccer shooters and thereby eliminate nuance interjections by people who don't share your interests, who know nothing about the subject, but cannot resist commenting anyway.

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Nov 24, 2021 11:25:03   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Excellent sport photo. Sharpness before noise. Try a few test shots at shutter speeds of 1/1000 to 1/3500 under the same conditions to check your focus, movement and noise.

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Nov 24, 2021 12:19:37   #
Shooter41 Loc: Wichita, KS
 
david vt wrote:
Hi Shooter41

First, really good shot. Nice composition. Nice and tight (though from this device I don’t know if that was SOOC or cropped). Focus was spot on. That you had and used f2 contributed nicely to the shot, and brings even more attention to you spot-on focus given the extremely shallow DOF

Agree with the comments that 3200 SS may be more than you need, and you may be able get away with less. If you were to gain back a stop, you could then decide if you wanted to use it to lower ISO or got to a higher f stop for slightly more DOF. It also depends on how your image will be used. If shrunk down for online publication might give a different answer than a blown up print

If you can get to another practice, you might do a controlled experiment with all 3 combinations (your current and the two above), compare the results, and see what YOU like best for what you want to accomplish

Keep shooting, and I (we) look forward to hearing more from your journey
Hi Shooter41 br br First, really good shot. Nice... (show quote)


Dear Dan5000...
Excellent shot of outdoor soccer. I like the sharpness and rich colors. Please keep showing us your work. Shooter41

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Nov 24, 2021 13:07:11   #
gouldopfl
 
Many of the newer mirrorless cameras can handle this. I quite frequently shoot at night at ISO 6400. The technology is awesome

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Nov 24, 2021 13:25:46   #
Bill McKenna
 
I would have dialed down your ISO, which would cause your shutter speed to come down as well. You don’t need to be at 1/3200 on your shutter speed to get sports images sharp. You’ll lose nothing in terms of frozen sharp focus at 1/1600, and you’ll have less grain in your shots because you’ll brought your ISO down.

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Nov 24, 2021 17:51:33   #
Ralanco19
 
Nice action shot. However, since this is practice (for them) and ideal trial and experimentation time for you, did you try other exposure/speed capturing options to see if you could be just as successful at 1/2000, 1/1000 shutter speed, giving you a maybe ISO at 1600 or even lower? Now’s the time to test the lowest shutter you can get away with.

Also, if this is a practice facility or a high school/small college facility) do be aware that most of them have lower lighting power. Our eyes adjust so don’t realize it. But most pro facilities (soccer, football, baseball, basketball) and big name colleges have much higher lighting power that TV stations demand (or they won’t cover them) for their cameras. So, you might also consider that possibility at the upcoming games you plan on covering.

Good luck … and just have lots of fun!

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Nov 25, 2021 00:33:47   #
gwilliams6
 
billnikon wrote:
To get the wing tips solid in birds in flight, you need 1/4000 sec.


So true.


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Nov 25, 2021 01:11:17   #
gwilliams6
 
Bill McKenna wrote:
I would have dialed down your ISO, which would cause your shutter speed to come down as well. You don’t need to be at 1/3200 on your shutter speed to get sports images sharp. You’ll lose nothing in terms of frozen sharp focus at 1/1600, and you’ll have less grain in your shots because you’ll brought your ISO down.




First I do agree with others here that it is more important to get the shot with a fast enough shutter speed than worry about noise. I never lost a publication or a photo contest due to noise in an action shot, and there are superb noise reduction programs like Topaz Denoise AI and DXO Prime now that pros and amateurs alike swear by when they need to use higher ISOs .If you are forced to shoot a slow speed, then try panning with the action.

As a photojournalist shooting pro sports for 47 years and with Sports Photo awards from World Press Photos, and Pictures of the Year competitions, I respectfully disagree with your statement Bill McKenna, and I will explain. .

Faster action from pro athletes can require faster shutter speeds than in slower amateur athletics. And also VERY IMPORTANT is the direction of the action. Action coming towards and away from you will require less shutter speed to stop the action, but fast action going across the frame will require a much faster shutter speed to stop the action, unless you are purposely panning with a slow shutter speed.

Also the higher megapixel sensors in today's cameras will require a faster shutter speed to stop that action as the greater pixel density of those higher megapixel cameras mean that fast sports action will cross more pixels of your frame so you will need a higher shutter speed to stop the action in those cameras.

An example: the same action that I could freeze with 1/1000 sec. on my 24mp Sony A9, now requires me to shoot at 1/2000 second on my 61mp Sony A7RIV and 50mp Sony A1. You have to know and understand the physics here.

Just like any sports action, as Bill pointed out, if you want to stop the fast movement of those wing tips in Birds In Flight shots, you will often need 1/4000 sec.

In addition to my long pro career, I am also a longtime Professor of Photography at the state university level, with a Master's Degree in Digital Photography. I have to know this stuff and teach it to my hundreds of students over the years in my Photojournalism, Digital Photography, and 35mm B&W film courses I write and teach.

Here an action shot, with the action going across the frame, shot on my 50mp Sony A1, 200-600mm lens, at 600mm, f6.3, ISO 1000, 1/2000 second. This shot could have even used a 1/4000 sec. shutter speed. Boys pulled by fast speedboat on Brookings Lake, Manistee National Forest, Michigan.

The 50mp Sony A1 shot of the White Egret taking off from its watery perch on the Caribbean island of Sint Maarten/Sint Martin needed 1/4000 sec. shutter speed to freeze both those wings and the water splashes. 200-600mm lens, 319mm, ISO 320, f6.3, 1/4000 sec.

Cameras have advanced so far and some pro mirrorless cameras can shoot at 1/32000 sec. and even 1/64000 sec. When I need to use a high shutter speed, I do. Don't be intimidated by those who tell you NOT to use all the capabilities in your camera.

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