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Nov 23, 2021 15:30:28   #
photogeneralist Loc: Lopez Island Washington State
 
I avoid Adobe photo editing apps due to their subscription only marketing strategy. Just installed monterey on my mid 2019 iMac. Some of my old standby apps no longer save my edits to my Photo library.

Among my apps that no longer talk nicely with Monterey (sob) are Creative Kit 2016 Luminar3 and Photolemur 3. I also had to update MS Office and FileMaker Pro and I will eventually have to update Broderbund's Printshop 2

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Nov 23, 2021 17:13:53   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
lbjed wrote:
Has anyone upgraded their Mac to the new OS Monterey? If so how are Photoshop and Lightroom working? Any problems?


I am not using Monterey but there are reports of the latest Photoshop not working under Monterey and other Apple OSs, it could be that is more a hardware issue, GPU not supported, etc, than OS related.

You might want to check the Adobe site for know issues, and min hardware requirements, and also peruse the Adobe community pages for problem before making the leap.

Last of all if you are computer savy and you have the backups and know how to restore the old OS, then you can always try it and “Punt” if it doesn’t work.

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Nov 23, 2021 17:48:06   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
Once again, Thank you everyone for your opinion and advice. Truly appreciated.

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Nov 24, 2021 01:00:01   #
rcarol
 
burkphoto wrote:
One thing to try is to run the Intel version of Photoshop or Lightroom by choosing it in the Get Info box. Go to Applications, highlight the App, right-click or Control-click on it, choose Get Info, then press Command-I, and look for the check box that says, "Open using Rosetta."

A site you might want to check for compatibility of apps and plug-ins: https://isapplesiliconready.com


Thank you. I will try your suggestion.

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Nov 24, 2021 01:19:18   #
rcarol
 
burkphoto wrote:
One thing to try is to run the Intel version of Photoshop or Lightroom by choosing it in the Get Info box. Go to Applications, highlight the App, right-click or Control-click on it, choose Get Info, then press Command-I, and look for the check box that says, "Open using Rosetta."

A site you might want to check for compatibility of apps and plug-ins: https://isapplesiliconready.com


When I right click to Get Info, none of the Adobe applications provide me with the option to Open Using Rosetta.

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Nov 24, 2021 09:41:51   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rcarol wrote:
When I right click to Get Info, none of the Adobe applications provide me with the option to Open Using Rosetta.


They will have it only if you're using the Universal versions of them. You get those by subscribing to the Adobe Photography Plan for about $10/month.

I've attached the latest Get Info screens for LrC and Ps.

Use the Creative Cloud app to download the updates if you already subscribe.


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Nov 24, 2021 22:20:47   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
burkphoto wrote:
They will have it only if you're using the Universal versions of them. You get those by subscribing to the Adobe Photography Plan for about $10/month.

I've attached the latest Get Info screens for LrC and Ps.

Use the Creative Cloud app to download the updates if you already subscribe.


What's all this universal stuff Burk? Is Apple running software on the M1 using a translator like they did when they made the switch to intel? Or is Universal is both sets of codes bundled together?

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Nov 24, 2021 22:40:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JD750 wrote:
What's all this universal stuff Burk? Is Apple running software on the M1 using a translator like they did when they made the switch to intel? Or is Universal is both sets of codes bundled together?


Yes, on both counts. Rosetta 2 translates Intel code on the fly, the first time you start an Intel app. But if the app is universal, it has both Intel and Apple Silicon code in it and can run either one. Some developers took advantage of the processor transition to release brand new versions that run ONLY natively on M1 and don't run on Rosetta or Intel at all.

There's a site that lists compatibility, here: https://isapplesiliconready.com

At this point, a year into the transition, most apps are at least running on Rosetta 2. Most of them run faster in Rosetta 2 emulation on M1 than they run natively on most Intel Macs! Apple still has a lot of higher end Macs to move to their own chips. It will be interesting to see what they do to replace the Mac Pro and the iMac Pro 27" and the Mac Mini Pro.

Apps that are 100% native just fly. But the Apple Silicon M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max SOCs are so much faster than most older Macs other than the very fastest Intel machines, that no one really notices emulation.

In some cases, you have to run the Intel version of an app to run Intel plug-ins with it. However, in others, Intel plug-ins get translated by Rosetta 2 and just run fine with Universal apps. Negative Lab Pro 2.3 is still 100% Intel, but I run it in the Universal version of Lightroom Classic. It works fine.

There are still a few weird things with the Monterey OS, so I'm waiting until 12.2 or 12.3 before I upgrade.

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Nov 24, 2021 22:48:33   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yes, on both counts. Rosetta 2 translates Intel code on the fly, the first time you start an Intel app. But if the app is universal, it has both Intel and Apple Silicon code in it and can run either one. Some developers took advantage of the processor transition to release brand new versions that run ONLY natively on M1 and don't run on Rosetta or Intel at all.

There's a site that lists compatibility, here: https://isapplesiliconready.com

At this point, a year into the transition, most apps are at least running on Rosetta 2. Most of them run faster in Rosetta 2 emulation on M1 than they run natively on most Intel Macs! Apple still has a lot of higher end Macs to move to their own chips. It will be interesting to see what they do to replace the Mac Pro and the iMac Pro 27" and the Mac Mini Pro.

Apps that are 100% native just fly. But the Apple Silicon M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max SOCs are so much faster than most older Macs other than the very fastest Intel machines, that no one really notices emulation.

In some cases, you have to run the Intel version of an app to run Intel plug-ins with it. However, in others, Intel plug-ins get translated by Rosetta 2 and just run fine with Universal apps. Negative Lab Pro 2.3 is still 100% Intel, but I run it in the Universal version of Lightroom Classic. It works fine.

There are still a few weird things with the Monterey OS, so I'm waiting until 12.2 or 12.3 before I upgrade.
Yes, on both counts. Rosetta 2 translates Intel co... (show quote)


Thanks Burk for that detailed report! Given that "some" companies can't even manage a simple update with the SAME hardware, without breaking the whole system, all in all pretty impressive on Apples part to make a change of processor mostly transparent for the users.

FYI I'm still waiting for my 16" MBP with the M1. Ordered a few weeks ago in early Oct, promised delivery date is Dec 24.

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Nov 24, 2021 22:54:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JD750 wrote:
Thanks Burk for that detailed report! Given that "some" companies can't even manage a simple update with the SAME hardware, without breaking the whole system, all in all pretty impressive on Apples part to make a change of processor mostly transparent for the users.

FYI I'm still waiting for my 16" MBP with the M1. Ordered a few weeks ago in early Oct, promised delivery date is Dec 24.


You should love it. They are among the fastest laptops made, and the build quality is first rate. This M1 MacBook Air is thoroughly elegant for the price. I wish it had the ports from the new ones, and the MagSafe 3 charger, and the 1080P camera, but that's all. This will last me for a few years, anyway.

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Nov 24, 2021 23:08:08   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
burkphoto wrote:
You should love it. They are among the fastest laptops made, and the build quality is first rate. This M1 MacBook Air is thoroughly elegant for the price. I wish it had the ports from the new ones, and the MagSafe 3 charger, and the 1080P camera, but that's all. This will last me for a few years, anyway.



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Nov 25, 2021 01:01:55   #
rcarol
 
burkphoto wrote:
They will have it only if you're using the Universal versions of them. You get those by subscribing to the Adobe Photography Plan for about $10/month.

I've attached the latest Get Info screens for LrC and Ps.

Use the Creative Cloud app to download the updates if you already subscribe.


I am a subscriber and I have the latest versions installed. Still no option to use Rosetta.

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Nov 25, 2021 01:23:22   #
rcarol
 
burkphoto wrote:
They will have it only if you're using the Universal versions of them. You get those by subscribing to the Adobe Photography Plan for about $10/month.

I've attached the latest Get Info screens for LrC and Ps.

Use the Creative Cloud app to download the updates if you already subscribe.


I'm a little dense but I finally got to the Get Info screens you were referring to and I was able to select the option to run these apps using Rosetta. Interestingly, when I run the apps using Rosetta the plugins are there but when I run them using the M1 chip, they are not there.

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Nov 25, 2021 01:39:47   #
rcarol
 
rcarol wrote:
I'm a little dense but I finally got to the Get Info screens you were referring to and I was able to select the option to run these apps using Rosetta. Interestingly, when I run the apps using Rosetta the plugins are there but when I run them using the M1 chip, they are not there.


Okay. I tried one other thing. I went back to running the apps using Rosetta. While running the apps using Rosetta, I uninstalled the plugins then reinstalled them. Then I ran the apps using the M1 chip and lo and behold the plugins were present. I thank you for guiding me through the procedure. I confess that this is my first encounter with a Mac computer. I have always been a PC guy until my curiosity led me to purchasing an M1 Mini. I'm very much impressed by it. I will continue to run both systems. My PC is a homebuild and both my PC and the M1 Mini perform at very near the same level except for those operations that involve the GPU. For those operations, my system is faster. Again, thanks for your help.

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Nov 25, 2021 02:13:21   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
rcarol wrote:
Okay. I tried one other thing. I went back to running the apps using Rosetta. While running the apps using Rosetta, I uninstalled the plugins then reinstalled them. Then I ran the apps using the M1 chip and lo and behold the plugins were present. I thank you for guiding me through the procedure. I confess that this is my first encounter with a Mac computer. I have always been a PC guy until my curiosity led me to purchasing an M1 Mini. I'm very much impressed by it. I will continue to run both systems. My PC is a homebuild and both my PC and the M1 Mini perform at very near the same level except for those operations that involve the GPU. For those operations, my system is faster. Again, thanks for your help.
Okay. I tried one other thing. I went back to runn... (show quote)


Wow that’s a lot of work to go through. And FYI I think you are far from dense. Thanks for reporting the resolution that will help others who might be having he same problem.

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