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Sep 15, 2021 10:47:20   #
Bill UT
 
newvy wrote:
The Tamron 150-500 “holds a candle” to the Sony lenses mentioned and at $1400 offers pretty good value for money. Lots of choices. I recommend going to a good camera store and shooting them on your body and comparing. I did that on a recent trip and I couldn’t tell one lens image from the others. Good luck sorting it out


Thanks, we have good camera store in Salt Lake. Great suggestion!

I also have read some really good reviews of the new Sigma Sport 150-600. I used one on a Nikon 750 for quite a while and liked the results.

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Sep 15, 2021 11:52:50   #
Canisdirus
 
newvy wrote:
The Tamron 150-500 “holds a candle” to the Sony lenses mentioned and at $1400 offers pretty good value for money. Lots of choices. I recommend going to a good camera store and shooting them on your body and comparing. I did that on a recent trip and I couldn’t tell one lens image from the others. Good luck sorting it out


Heh... no.

It's a good lens...but not in the same league as either of the two Sony long zooms out now.
Now if you need to count your pennies cost wise...then go for the Tamron.
Just don't believe it's just as good as...it's not.

You usually get what you pay for in this world.

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Sep 15, 2021 12:09:54   #
newvy
 
[quote=Canisdirus]Heh... no.

It's a good lens...but not in the same league as either of the two Sony long zooms out now.
Now if you need to count your pennies cost wise...then go for the Tamron.
Just don't believe it's just as good as...it's not.

Based on what? (show me photo testing proof) All reviews and tests show it to be comparable. Tamron makes some really good glass. In fact they make a lot of lenses that are branded “ Nikon” and “Canon” surely others too. I am a recent convert to Sony after shootingNikon for 40 years (I bought my first FE w my own money when I was 14) I’m not taking away from Sony glass, but there is also a reason that the 200-600 is a G lens. If it was better than anything else it would be a GM (G Master).

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Sep 15, 2021 12:10:07   #
Bubba211 Loc: Coastal North Carolina
 
Camera store???????

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Sep 15, 2021 12:21:05   #
Canisdirus
 
[quote=newvy]
Canisdirus wrote:
Heh... no.

It's a good lens...but not in the same league as either of the two Sony long zooms out now.
Now if you need to count your pennies cost wise...then go for the Tamron.
Just don't believe it's just as good as...it's not.

Based on what? (show me photo testing proof) All reviews and tests show it to be comparable. Tamron makes some really good glass. In fact they make a lot of lenses that are branded “ Nikon” and “Canon” surely others too. I am a recent convert to Sony after shootingNikon for 40 years (I bought my first FE w my own money when I was 14) I’m not taking away from Sony glass, but there is also a reason that the 200-600 is a G lens. If it was better than anything else it would be a GM (G Master).
Heh... no. br br It's a good lens...but not in th... (show quote)


Umm...based on reviews.
The Tam and Sigma lenses are softer...especially in the corners.

They cost less however...and there is a very good reason for that. The optics aren't as good.
There is ALWAYS a trade off.

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Sep 15, 2021 12:27:32   #
MDI Mainer Loc: Mount Desert, Maine
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Heh... no.

It's a good lens...but not in the same league as either of the two Sony long zooms out now.
Now if you need to count your pennies cost wise...then go for the Tamron.
Just don't believe it's just as good as...it's not.

You usually get what you pay for in this world.


But in today's market the best of the third-party lenses (both prime and mid- or long zoom) typically offer some useful tradeoffs vis-à-vis the camera-brand alternative, such as lower weight, more compact form, etc. so the decision is not black and white, nor based solely on lesser cost.

So there is little current basis for the brand snobbery of old.

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Sep 15, 2021 12:35:03   #
MDI Mainer Loc: Mount Desert, Maine
 
Bubba211 wrote:
Camera store???????


Better alternative may be to rent a lens under consideration for a longer test period.

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Sep 15, 2021 13:21:57   #
Canisdirus
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
But in today's market the best of the third-party lenses (both prime and mid- or long zoom) typically offer some useful tradeoffs vis-à-vis the camera-brand alternative, such as lower weight, more compact form, etc. so the decision is not black and white, nor based solely on lesser cost.

So there is little current basis for the brand snobbery of old.


Snobbery? What are you going on about...

Native glass ...is always the way to go...if you can afford it.

I feel no superiority because I can afford the native glass...nor would I feel snubbed if someone has better than I (and folks do btw).

But the difference between what I have in my long zoom and the next level (400 f2.8 or 600 f/4) is an additional $10k.

The difference between the Tam and Sigma and the Sony native zooms are ... a few hundred in difference.

Save your nickels...get the Sony 100-400mm or 200-600mm.

That step up in quality is worth the extra cash...which is minimal.

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Sep 15, 2021 13:40:00   #
MDI Mainer Loc: Mount Desert, Maine
 
"Native glass ...is always the way to go...if you can afford it."

Just not true. For example, in some cases a Sigma out rates any Sony, and in others third-party lenses are equal.

https://sonyalpha.blog/2020/03/02/which-lenses-are-the-sharpest-for-a-a6xxx/

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Sep 15, 2021 13:45:24   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Also check out the full frame 70-300mm "G" lens. This is one you can carry around, and use for a walk around lens. It has great color and stays sharp way past what the 24-105 can offer.

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Sep 15, 2021 14:07:36   #
wiz302pa Loc: Henderson, NV
 
I have been shopping for a lens for my Sony alpha 6400 - this is want I understand the situation to be:

When you use your Sony "E" 70-350 with your APS-C cropped-sensor camera, the "effective" focal length of the lens is x1.51 longer or 106-529mm. If you decide to use this same lens on your new full-frame camera (which was designed for "FE" Sony lenses) the focal length will be 70-350mm but you will not get full-frame pictures since your new camera is designed for larger and heavier Sony "FE" lenses. Any of these will all fit on any Sony e-mount camera.

The 70-350 (APS-C) Sony lens you now have is a newer Sony design, is lighter, and uses linear motors (perhaps faster) for auto focus than the older "FE" Sony lens design which use stepping motors. They all have a good reputation for quality.

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Sep 15, 2021 14:20:49   #
Canisdirus
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
"Native glass ...is always the way to go...if you can afford it."

Just not true. For example, in some cases a Sigma out rates any Sony, and in others third-party lenses are equal.

https://sonyalpha.blog/2020/03/02/which-lenses-are-the-sharpest-for-a-a6xxx/


Yes, 'some' lenses.
But we are talking about long lenses...which aren't even mentioned on the list you provided...although the only one with good marks is the one the OG poster already has (maybe he should stay put then).
Yes...some third party lenses are good enough for the 24mp sensors. Some focal lengths are easier than others.
But when you want to go long (one of the most difficult optic challenges) ... go native...always...if you can.

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Sep 15, 2021 14:42:22   #
wiz302pa Loc: Henderson, NV
 
Item from the Sony Alpha Blog



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Sep 15, 2021 15:30:11   #
Canisdirus
 
wiz302pa wrote:
Item from the Sony Alpha Blog


There we go... the native Sony long lens wins...of course.
Not sure how anyone would think it would be different.

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Sep 15, 2021 15:55:28   #
MDI Mainer Loc: Mount Desert, Maine
 
Canisdirus wrote:
There we go... the native Sony long lens wins...of course.
Not sure how anyone would think it would be different.


Look at the Sony 200-600 vs. the Sigma 150-600 -- can't definitively say one is "better" than the other.

And doesn't take heft into consideration, which is a factor for many who want to handhold.

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