Effate
Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
majeskiphoto wrote:
3 Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima
Wow, three incidents in 41 years. Look at the devastation that PG&E power lines have caused in the State of California in just the past several years. There are costs and risks but there are 443 reactors in use around the world for electricity production and how many nuclear subs have been under our seas for decades?
majeskiphoto wrote:
3 Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima
Yup...50 years... 3 incidents...no fatalities...the horror.
TriX wrote:
If you pull the Mains (200 Amp fuses in my case), there is COMPLETE isolation from the grid and ZERO chance of backfeeding into it. There is no magic pathway between your house and the local t***sformer (pole pig) but the drop to your house which after the meter, goes directly to the main breaker or fuses.
But for the non electrically savvy, just plug your electrical devices/lights directly into the generator and forget attaching it to the house wiring because the Main breaker/fuses MUST be open BEFORE the generator is attached and the generator MUST be disconnected before restoring the mains. If you don’t know what you’re doing and aren’t VERY careful with the sequence, just forget hooking your portable generator directly to your home wiring, both for your safety and the linemen working to restore your power.
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It's pretty easy to throw the main breaker and plug the house into your generator at the dryer outlet, but a t***sfer switch is nicer. They make manual t***sfer switches, or you could use a reversing contactor. Don't use gasoline if you don't have to, it has a very short shelf life.
thom w wrote:
It's pretty easy to throw the main breaker and plug the house into your generator at the dryer outlet, but a t***sfer switch is nicer. They make manual t***sfer switches, or you could use a reversing contactor. Don't use gasoline if you don't have to, it has a very short shelf life.
Many generators are available to run on dual fuel sources, either gasoline and propane, or gasoline and natural gas. Using propane or nat gas exclusively is a great way to keep the generator in great shape and avoid all the pitfalls of old gasoline. But a good fuel stabilizer helps keep gas fresh, too.
Effate wrote:
Wow, three incidents in 41 years. Look at the devastation that PG&E power lines have caused in the State of California in just the past several years. There are costs and risks but there are 443 reactors in use around the world for electricity production and how many nuclear subs have been under our seas for decades?
Wh**ever problems PG&E has with t***smission, they would still have them. Nuclear shouldn't be built in seismically active areas, but then neither should hydro.
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
burkphoto wrote:
Many generators are available to run on dual fuel sources, either gasoline and propane, or gasoline and natural gas. Using propane or nat gas exclusively is a great way to keep the generator in great shape and avoid all the pitfalls of old gasoline. But a good fuel stabilizer helps keep gas fresh, too.
If you have natural gas, conversion kits which allow you to use gasoline, natural gas or propane are not expensive and easy to install - just an injector between the carb and intake manifold plus a demand regulator. Cost is $200-250 depending on the model. And unless the emergency k**ls the natural gas supply, which is unlikely, you can run as long as the generator holds up. Remember that portable generators with splash lubrication were not designed to run continuously for long periods. Honda engined generators and others with a pressure lubrication system are likely more reliable long term. I always place a large portable fan blowing directly on the generator - helps with cooling and also helps blow the exhaust gas away. Remember that the generator needs to be in the open, well away from doors and windows and never in garages or carports. Every time there’s a major power outage, some people die from CO poisoning.
Also re-read the the earlier warnings in this thread on electrical safety. If you don’t know what you’re doing, just plug appliance and lights directly into the generator rather than attaching it to your house wiring with a “suicide cable” (a cable with a male plug on each end).
Storing enough gas to last through an emergency is tedious and potentially dangerous and must be disposed of and replaced periodically. You can use a stabilizer to potentially prolong the storage, but personally, I’m not willing to put gas plus stabil through the catalytic converter in my car, so what do you do with 20+ gallons of treated gasoline?
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
Effate wrote:
Wow, three incidents in 41 years. Look at the devastation that PG&E power lines have caused in the State of California in just the past several years. There are costs and risks but there are 443 reactors in use around the world for electricity production and how many nuclear subs have been under our seas for decades?
In the end, I think we’re going to be forced to license and build new nuclear plants unless we find an alternate technology. That or freeze in the dark. I would just point out that no one has ever been k**led or seriously injured by a commercial nuclear plant in the US after 60 years of operation including the accident at Three Mile Island. As bad as Fukushima was (the reactor manufacturer recommended that the plants be placed higher above sea level), no one died from radiation, but tens of thousands died from the tsunami. Chernobyl is a different story. Bad, unstable design (only used by the Russians), stupid operation and a political system that made it all worse. I’m guessing that not everyone will agree with my opinion.
TriX wrote:
In the end, I think we’re going to be forced to license and build new nuclear plants unless we find an alternate technology. That or freeze in the dark. I would just point out that no one has ever been k**led or seriously injured by a commercial nuclear plant in the US after 60 years of operation including the accident at Three Mile Island. As bad as Fukushima was (the reactor manufacturer recommended that the plants be placed higher above sea level), no one died from radiation, but tens of thousands died from the tsunami. Chernobyl is a different story. Bad, unstable design (only used by the Russians), stupid operation and a political system that made it all worse. I’m guessing that not everyone will agree with my opinion.
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I used to live in Sacramento, and the v**ers shut down Rancho Seco as it was down more often than it ran. Some of the fear of nuclear (
some) is silly, but probably not as silly as fear of v*****es. Probably the worst thing about v*****es is they have let us overpopulate the planet, but I wouldn't want to go back. I remember kids in braces, got pretty awkward at swimming pools. I lived in Reno many years ago and knew people who tried solar. Really didn't work. No matter how much sun, the panels don't work with snow on them. Solar is great, but there are places it really doesn't work. Steel plants and cement (not concrete) plants, will probably always require f****l f**l.
DennyT
Loc: Central Missouri woods
yssirk123 wrote:
Eve since Hurricane Sandy, power outages in NJ have been more frequent. For years I wheeled a portable generator outside and refilled it with gas when needed. We finally bought a Generac whole house generator that runs everything in our home without the need for selecting which appliances it can power, and it was well worth the investment.
That’s what we got - 20kw generac autotranfser runs on propane. I bought it for DW when we lost power due to ice storm. I was at construction job a 1000 miles away.
We move it to our new place.
Works like a charm.
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
DennyT wrote:
That’s what we got - 20kw generac autotranfser runs on propane. I bought it for DW when we lost power due to ice storm. I was at construction job a 1000 miles away.
We move it to our new place.
Works like a charm.
Yep that is the right answer if cost isn’t an object. I’ve been thinking about it. My concern other than the price is my natural gas line is >400’ long buried under my asphalt paved driveway. Not sure if it will support the flow required.
TriX wrote:
Yep that is the right answer if cost isn’t an object. I’ve been thinking about it. My concern other than the price is my natural gas line is >400’ long buried under my asphalt paved driveway. Not sure if it will support the flow required.
If you did it...the gas company will provide you with a tank usually...it works in their favor to do so.
ecblackiii wrote:
It's not to help you save money. It's to reduce the peak load on the electrical power system so they won't have to spend money to build additional capacity to meet the peak demand.
Right. They give people the $500/$300 to ease the burden of the gasoline or propane cost, but it would be financially negative for people to participate in this. then there's the noise. Our electric supplier is just that - a supplier. It buys electricity - doesn't generate it.
DirtFarmer wrote:
And the well pump. Mine will need a couple KW.
We have a water pump, so before we had the generator, we had to be very careful using water.
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