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Sep 12, 2021 16:05:54   #
malvin
 
Knickers,,,gone, disappeared, gone by the wayside, out of style!. Here then, I must ask you, why then is that superfluous piece of cloth that is called a tie, did not go out with the Knickers? Lately I've noticed, they are making that piece of cloth longer, much longer, so that what's called a tie extends all the way down to ones crotch. That lets the tip of the cloth show well below the button of ones jacket opening. Is this supposed to be the new fashion statement? Also, when a person is a bit overweight and wearing that cloth called a tie, the look reminds me of a bobble-head toy. I say, bring back the Knickers, they will look good on you while wearing your tie! I must add here, that the little guy in the photo reminds of a bobble-head... Cheers, Malvin



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Sep 12, 2021 16:21:02   #
DRam11 Loc: Polson, MT
 
Ties exist to remind us of what will happen to us if we rustle our neighbor's livestock. There is no other reason to wrap one around your neck and tie it in a slipknot.

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Sep 12, 2021 17:16:03   #
pendennis
 
Technically, those two lads are wearing "plus fours". Knickers or knickerbockers are shorter and have more of a taper in the legs.

I'm in agreement with you 100% on the neck tie. Ties were never intended to show through the bottom opening of the coat. Ties should be worn with the appropriate knot (Windsor, Half-windsor, Four-in-hand, Half-four-in-hand) and the tip should come to the bottom of the belt buckle.

Part of the problem is with the cut of men's coats and blazers. Designers want an extreme fitted look, which bodes ill for a proper fitting coat and accompanying tie. There are also legions of men who have no concept of how the necktie should fit at the collar, much less have any idea of a properly fitted dress shirt at the collar. The knot should cover the button, and have no collar banding showing. And someone should remind these folks that the cuffs of the coat should come to no more than .5" below the break in the wrist. Sleeves which come to the top knuckles make one look like a clown. And there's still nothing like showing a .5" of cuff at the end of the sleeve.

I see men on television who evidently make mega-bucks in salary, but who dress like a schmuck. Get the proper fit, or forget the tie! It ain't rocket science. Where's John T. Molloy when we need him??

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Sep 12, 2021 21:28:00   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
pendennis wrote:
Technically, those two lads are wearing "plus fours". Knickers or knickerbockers are shorter and have more of a taper in the legs.

I'm in agreement with you 100% on the neck tie. Ties were never intended to show through the bottom opening of the coat. Ties should be worn with the appropriate knot (Windsor, Half-windsor, Four-in-hand, Half-four-in-hand) and the tip should come to the bottom of the belt buckle.

Part of the problem is with the cut of men's coats and blazers. Designers want an extreme fitted look, which bodes ill for a proper fitting coat and accompanying tie. There are also legions of men who have no concept of how the necktie should fit at the collar, much less have any idea of a properly fitted dress shirt at the collar. The knot should cover the button, and have no collar banding showing. And someone should remind these folks that the cuffs of the coat should come to no more than .5" below the break in the wrist. Sleeves which come to the top knuckles make one look like a clown. And there's still nothing like showing a .5" of cuff at the end of the sleeve.

I see men on television who evidently make mega-bucks in salary, but who dress like a schmuck. Get the proper fit, or forget the tie! It ain't rocket science. Where's John T. Molloy when we need him??
Technically, those two lads are wearing "plus... (show quote)


When I was at Tektronix in the 70s and 80s, “leisure suits” were briefly in fashion (I never owned one), and Tek hired Malloy (who wrote Dress for Success) to address one of our national meetings for field personnel to teach us how to dress like bankers (who supposedly were a trusted profession). Tek reserved an entire resort in Florida for the meeting of maybe 300-400 and Malloy was the featured speaker for the first day. That night, a large percentage of us descended on neighboring towns and bought every leisure suit we could find in light blue, lime green, orange, etc. The next morning of day 2, Malloy came out on stage to be confronted with a literal sea of pastel leisure suits - the exact opposite of the intended message from the meeting. Everybody including Malloy fell out laughing.

The next day he was on the same plane with me on the way home, and he was dressed very sloppily.

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Sep 13, 2021 08:22:12   #
Rich2236 Loc: E. Hampstead, New Hampshire
 
A bit of trivia.....
Ties were invented in merry old England. As shirts were very expensive to wash and replace, (stains were pounded out of the shirt at a stream, using a wooden paddle.) So, strips of cloth were invented to be tied around the neck to catch the drippings of a meal and not stain the shirt. The soiled piece of cloth could then be thrown away and a new "tie" could be used and then it too could be discarded. This, in essence, became the forerunner of modern ties.

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Sep 13, 2021 08:43:07   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
Rich2236 wrote:
A bit of trivia.....
Ties were invented in merry old England. As shirts were very expensive to wash and replace, (stains were pounded out of the shirt at a stream, using a wooden paddle.) So, strips of cloth were invented to be tied around the neck to catch the drippings of a meal and not stain the shirt. The soiled piece of cloth could then be thrown away and a new "tie" could be used and then it too could be discarded. This, in essence, became the forerunner of modern ties.


So tie = bib?

Remember the conference room scene on the moon in Kubricks, "2001 A Space Odyssey"? The men had neck decorations that looked almost like a minister's reversed collar. I guess in 1968, Kubrick figured ties would indeed fade away and be replaced by a simpler form of neck adornment. Yet here we are, 20 years past that date and we're still wearing ties...and we have nothing on the moon except footprints and used lunar lander parts.

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Sep 13, 2021 09:56:41   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
pendennis wrote:
Technically, those two lads are wearing "plus fours". Knickers or knickerbockers are shorter and have more of a taper in the legs.

I'm in agreement with you 100% on the neck tie. Ties were never intended to show through the bottom opening of the coat. Ties should be worn with the appropriate knot (Windsor, Half-windsor, Four-in-hand, Half-four-in-hand) and the tip should come to the bottom of the belt buckle.

Part of the problem is with the cut of men's coats and blazers. Designers want an extreme fitted look, which bodes ill for a proper fitting coat and accompanying tie. There are also legions of men who have no concept of how the necktie should fit at the collar, much less have any idea of a properly fitted dress shirt at the collar. The knot should cover the button, and have no collar banding showing. And someone should remind these folks that the cuffs of the coat should come to no more than .5" below the break in the wrist. Sleeves which come to the top knuckles make one look like a clown. And there's still nothing like showing a .5" of cuff at the end of the sleeve.

I see men on television who evidently make mega-bucks in salary, but who dress like a schmuck. Get the proper fit, or forget the tie! It ain't rocket science. Where's John T. Molloy when we need him??
Technically, those two lads are wearing "plus... (show quote)


Most men’s clothes these days are cut on the body model of a youngster, not of a mature man. I usually wear a large men’s shirt, but the shoulders in today’s large men’s shirts are so tight they restrict free movement. And men’s tees look and fit like a slightly enlarged Youth size. They are so short they won’t stay tucked into my pants. I guess that’s why I still keep my 20 year old clothes in the closet - they fit.

Stan

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Sep 13, 2021 11:25:52   #
Dannj
 
StanMac wrote:
Most men’s clothes these days are cut on the body model of a youngster, not of a mature man. I usually wear a large men’s shirt, but the shoulders in today’s large men’s shirts are so tight they restrict free movement. And men’s tees look and fit like a slightly enlarged Youth size. They are so short they won’t stay tucked into my pants. I guess that’s why I still keep my 20 year old clothes in the closet - they fit.

Stan


I hear you, Stan. Today’s clothes aren’t designed for “us”. I solve the problem by basically not going anywhere that requires me to dress up. Works fine for me👍

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Sep 13, 2021 13:44:50   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
Marine Corps terminology: Tie=scarf, Jacket, or shirt=blouse, Pants = trousers. Women wear pants, men wear trousers.

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Sep 13, 2021 13:58:07   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
The style of clothing has changed over the years. With the Leisure Suit the tie was put away in favor of the open collar shirt, but the tie came back. More recently the suit jacket (and the sport Coat) have ben re-designed to be shorter and tighter on the body. Double breasted suits are less often seen. Trousers are seldom made with cuffs or pleats. It seems that clothing manufacturers are attempting to conserve cloth. As a result fewer and fewer men are wearing suits and ties. I believe I am one of the few men who still wears a suit to church service. Business men do not wear suits to work, neither do bank workers.

Personally I feel better and conduct myself better when I am wearing a suit and tie. I feel I have more respect for my fellow humans while wearing a suit, and I also respect a man who wears a suit and a women who wears a nice dress or a pant suit. Society needs to dress up more then maybe we will all feel belter and have more respect for others.

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Sep 13, 2021 15:45:22   #
linda lagace
 
Ties were meant to wipe your mouth on after eating

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Sep 13, 2021 17:42:36   #
Nancysc
 
Can a girl chime in here? I think men step up their look with a sports jacket, no matter what's underneath. I still love the Miami Vice look of a tee shirt with a sport coat. Linen slacks with pleats and cuffs are totally cool.

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Sep 13, 2021 18:31:03   #
pendennis
 
Rich2236 wrote:
A bit of trivia.....
Ties were invented in merry old England. As shirts were very expensive to wash and replace, (stains were pounded out of the shirt at a stream, using a wooden paddle.) So, strips of cloth were invented to be tied around the neck to catch the drippings of a meal and not stain the shirt. The soiled piece of cloth could then be thrown away and a new "tie" could be used and then it too could be discarded. This, in essence, became the forerunner of modern ties.


There is also the verified lore of the necktie being used as a means of military identification. The first were used by the Croats. And as the tradition grew, it was copied by the armies of other countries. The word "cravat" is French (cravate), and is derived from Croatia.

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